Re: [tied] Primordial Man, Ymir, *Yemos, PIE cosmogony

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----- Mensaje Original -----
De: "Glen Gordon" <glengordon01@...>
Fecha: Miercoles, Enero 22, 2003 9:01 am
Asunto: Re: [tied] Primordial Man, Ymir, *Yemos, PIE cosmogony

>
> Joao:
> >I agree with David. It is valid to Norse Ymir, but also to Indian
> Purus.a,
> The issue I have here is that Ymir and Yama spring from the name
> *Yemos.Now, granted, the functions of *Yemos and those of Ymir and
> Yama could
> have evolved over the years but where is there any trace of a cosmic
> motif behind Yama? At best, he might be seen as chthonic... but is he
> truely "cosmic" (ie: the _entire_ universe)?
>
> How can you relate Purusa with *Yemos? How do we know if Purusa has
> anything to do with *Yemos or not? Maybe Purusa is a totally seperate
> entity, introduced from elsewhere.
>
>
> >1. Primordial Man *Yemos, hermaphrodit, giant, sacrified to
> originate the
> >world.
>
> Okay, Ymir is a hermaphrodite, but is Yama? Was *Yemos truely
> sexless?Granted he was sacrificed, and being the "earth" he would
> have to be
> large. He wouldn't need to be the _entire_ universe from what I see.
>
>
> >2. The First Man *Manus, progenitor of manking, ruler of dead,
> king of
> >Underworld, born from Earth (homo/humus).
>
> No, I don't see an underworld link with First Man at all. The
> opposite!The underworld link is clearly seen in *Yemos since Yama
> is the god
> of the dead! What evidence for *Manus having such a motif?
>
>
> >3. The Earth Mother *DHeg^Hom
>
> Are you sure the earth is female in Indo-European mythology?
> Granted we
> do find Gea but the Greek mythologies were affected by native preIE
> Balkan beliefs as well as beliefs imported from across the
> Mediterranean.
>
> >4. The Primordial Bovine, (hermaphrodit bovine? bull? cow? a
> couple? a
> >cow and a calf?) From Cow's udder came the Primordial Rivers
> (Audhumla>and Aditi).
>
> Yes, I think I'll call her *GWou-Xanax for lack of a better name.
>
>
> >We might add the World Tree to this scenario.
>
> I want to call it the "Egg Tree". Yggdrasil would be one
> descendant of
> this concept.
>
>
> - gLeN
>
>
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