[tied] Re: Dating Wednesday?

From: tgpedersen
Message: 17947
Date: 2003-01-22

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:
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> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 4:31 PM
> Subject: [tied] Re: Dating Wednesday?
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> >> This substitution (Gmc. f --> Finn. p) is found in old loans,
but "Friday" is one of them.
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> > But how early? The limit is 0 CE. That might be pre-Grimm.
>
> Could you develop that a little? The limit of what? What might be
pre-Grimm?
>
> Piotr

From what I've seen in the literature, the earliest Germanic loans
date from 0 CE, approx. Therefore then or later. But, if, as I've
argued, the Grimm shift happened in Thuringia, under the influence of
Iranian, that shift is from the same time.
If the names Cimbri and Teutones are Germanic, and from Jutland (cf.
Himmerland, Thiuthær-syssel > Thy), then the Grimm shift had not
happened in Scandinavia 100 BCE. Therefore I believe it took place in
Scandinavia as a result of the invasion from south (the language of
the invaders Snorri says became the language of the land).
BTW how about this scenario: separate migrations, one to Thuringia of
Iranians from the Don in 60 BCE, followed by a later migration of
Bastarnian-speakers from Pannonia.
A German dialect study I saw mentions that when a Low German
(with /p/) and a High German dialect collide in one area, the outcome
is, oddly, /f/.

Torsten