From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 17394
Date: 2003-01-04
----- Original Message -----
From: <richard.wordingham@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2003 9:28 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: PIE homeland in northwest India?
> 'Out of India' is discussed in
> Messages 8784 to 9211, 9585 to 9597
> and 14798. Related matters are
> discussed in 9394, 9436, 14695,
> 14745, 14758 and 16640 to 16690. -
> Richard.
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com,
> "anthonyappleyard <MCLSSAA2@...>"
> <MCLSSAA2@...> wrote:
> > Anthony Appleyard wrote:-
> > > What support is there for a
> theory that I have come across, that
> > > the Indo-Europeans came from
> northwest India? The immediate
> > > scenario is that a bad drought
> in northwest India caused
> > > migrations, and invasion and
> immigration pressure on the
> remaining
> > > fertile land in
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com,
> "P&G" <petegray@...> wrote:
> > > This has been widely discussed,
> and by far the consensus is that
> > > such a scenarios does not
> explain the linguistic evidence. For
> > > example, there would have had to
> be several waves of emigration,
> > > not just one, because of links
> that Indo-Iranian has to some IE
> > > languages and not others. Indian
> scholars link the theory, and wish
> > > it to be true, but it does fly -
> in my opinion absurdly - against
> > > the evidence. Peter
> >
> > About what dates, or range of
> archived message serial numbers, was
> > this theory discusssed?
> >
> > --- "matt6219 <matt62@...>"
> <matt62@...> wrote:
> > > I have always thought that the
> idea of a single migration from
> > > India to be absurd, and that a
> number of migrations to be much more
> > > likely. Why would this scenario
> be a problem ?
> >
> > Likely in the beginning, northwest
> India was wetter than now, and
> > could support a dense population,
> not only from the River Sarasvati,
> > but also from rain. As
> deforestation and overgrazing
> gradually
> > destroyed the forests in the Indus
> / Sarasvati plain, the land dried
> > up, and recurrent droughts drove
> successive waves of emigrants from
> > the area, who were likely also
> encouraged to leave and get right
> away
> > by the army of the king of the
> remaining fertile area who got tired
> > of being invaded and raided by
> people from the drought-affected
> areas.
> >
> > I have the book "Vedic Aryans and
> the Origins of Civilization" by
> > Navaratna S.Rajaram and David
> Frawley, ISBN 81-85990-36-0, publ.
> by
> > Voice of India.
> >
> > This book says that Natwar Jha has
> decipered the Indus valley script
> > and that it turned out to be
> Sanskrit written in a syllabary that
> > largely ignored vowels. What
> support is there for this
> decipherment?
> >
> > If this is correct, then when the
> Indus Valley script started to be
> > used, I suspect that its language
> was likely more like PIE than
> > Sanskrit, and in early
> inscriptions linguists should look
> for forms
> > with these features:-
> > (1) Second palatalization not yet
> happened: e.g. *[kakara] instead of
> > [cakara] = "I have made".
> > (2) First (satem) palatalization
> not yet happened.
> > (3) Laryngeals represented by
> consonant signs.
>
>
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