Re: [tied]_Does_Koenraad_Elst_Meet_Hock´s_Challenge?

From: george knysh
Message: 17093
Date: 2002-12-10

--- Piotr Gasiorowski <piotr.gasiorowski@...>
wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "george knysh" <gknysh@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 2:39 AM
> Subject: Re:
> [tied]_Does_Koenraad_Elst_Meet_Hock�s_Challenge?
>
>
>
> > *****GK: I don't see how one can demonstrate on
> > archaeological grounds that Balto-Slavic and
> > especially Indo-Iranian (+Nuristani) expanded from
> a
> > central area identified with the territory
> occupied by
> > LBK.
>
> Well they didn't. LBK ended a long time before these
> two branches arose. The eastward diffusion of IE was
> certainly a long-term process. I'd date the Satem
> shift to around 3200-3000 BC, and the
> Balto-Slavic/Indo-Iranian split a few centuries
> later. The Satem innovation should probably be
> correlated with the quick territorial expansion of a
> speech community: the change was a radical one and
> it led to the isolation of a few distantly related
> groups such as (pre-)Tocharian, "Palaeo-Bangani" and
> (pre-)Greek in the east. A phenomenon of this kind
> could be expected to leave clear traces in the
> archaeological record./..../
>
> My tentative guess is that the spread of the
> Globular Amphora culture can be connected with the
> growth of Proto-Satem.

******GK: But what discernible archaeological cultures
in the east, predating Globular Amphorae, would you
associate with the basic spread of IE speech there? Or
are you saying that Globular Amphorae brought not just
the Satem innovation but IE speech in general into
this area?*****



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