[tied] Re: IE and their dogs : long-haired sheepdogs

From: tgpedersen
Message: 16874
Date: 2002-11-25

--- In cybalist@..., Piotr Gasiorowski <piotr.gasiorowski@...>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tgpedersen
> To: cybalist@...
> Sent: Saturday, November 23, 2002 11:57 AM
> Subject: [tied] Re: IE and their dogs : long-haired sheepdogs
> > r/n-stem? Or rather, if there is a process in IE which can turn n
> r, where's the problem?
> You'd need a process to turn non-IE *r (as in *kwir) into PIE *n
(as in *k^[u]wo:n, which, BTW, is not a heteroclitic stem),

in PIE as we know it. PIE "sun" has recently become heteroclitic, it
isn't in any known IE languages

plus an explanation why the IEs borrowed a Far Eastern word for an
animal known to their ancestors already in pre-Neolithic times.
> Piotr

(whispering to himself):
Methinks Piotr is trying to lure me into an IE ruse here.
(out loud):
But there may have been a r/n change outside of PIE! Why should
the /r/ in *kwir- be the original?
As for your impossible scenario: I propose the word was borrowed
along with the item. Since the item just has been given a good E
Asian pedigree, I suppose the word has one too. The five separate
lineages were probably domestications by five peoples who were
swallowed by each other or other tribes (so oder so).



HSED 917: *ger- "dog, cub"
HSED 1425: *kan- "dog"
HSED 1434: *ka[ya]r- "dog"
HSED 1498: *kun- "dog"
HSED 1511: *küHen- "dog"
HSED 1521: *kV(w|y)Vl- "dog, wolf"
(HSED = Orël & Stolbova)