Re: [tied] Quadi

From: tgpedersen
Message: 16840
Date: 2002-11-22

--- In cybalist@..., Piotr Gasiorowski <piotr.gasiorowski@...>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ben McGarr
> To: cybalist@...
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 7:13 PM
> Subject: [tied] Quadi
> > Or the Chauci,
> The only possibly related thing I can think of without going to the
library is *xuka-/*skuka- 'multitude, crowd, heap' < *(s)kugo-
(Pokorny's *keu-g-), as in Eng. shock (of corn).

Hm! I read an interesting book once on the development of the concept
of shock. Supposedly the original meaning of sheaf was transferred of
a new tactics sometime in the Middle Ages of using massed attack of
soldiers armed with two-three meter long lances, hence the "sheaf"
metaphor, Dutch schoch (cf. shock troops). This became the basis for
German tactical thinking (or even mindset: amass everything you've
got and throw it into a coordinated attack on a single point
(whence "shock" in the ordinary sense)). Suppose the tactic is much

> > Chatti,
> 'The Hoods'? (the same root that underlies Eng. hat < *hattuz)

Reminds me of 18th century Sweden; they had two factions: the hats
(elite) and the hoods.
> > my own Anglii even?
> This is supposed to derive "illa patria quae Angulus
dicitur". "Angul" (*angulaz) 'hook, corner, bend' refers to a
district of what is now Holstein.

No, a landscape of Schleswig (it's never been a separate
administrative unit). This does make a difference. Schleswig and
Holstein are north and south, respectively, of the narrowest point of
the Jutland peninsula, where there was portage between the river
Treene and the long and narrow Schlei (Da. Slien) inlet, with a
market town at Haithabu (Da. Hedeby). Until approx 1750, Schleswig
was predominantly Danish-speaking (but German was the language of
school and court), Holstein (once a large forest was always German-
speaking (Holt-seten, forest-dwellers), except for the east which was
Slavic. It's tempting to connect Angeln with the meaning "narrow" of
the root *ang-

I've had the idea that the Anglii lived on the east coast of
Schleswig (and possibly Holstein?) and the Friesians on the west
coast. Received knowledge is that the Friesians immigrated into those
ares in historical times, but in that area island Friesian (the
Halligen islands) is much different from coast Friesian, so perhaps?

The name *angulija > OE Engle 'Anglii' means 'the people of Angul'
> Piotr