[tied] Re: OE *picga

From: tgpedersen
Message: 16573
Date: 2002-10-31

--- In cybalist@..., "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> --- In cybalist@..., Piotr Gasiorowski <piotr.gasiorowski@...>
> wrote:
> >
>*baira- is
> not reconstructible beyond West Germanic, and is extremely unlikely
> to have anything to do with any of the above, especially as it
> coexists with a normal reflex of *h1epros (e.g. OE ba:r and eofor).
> Let me see: eofor is IE, ba:r is not, they coexist in the same
> language, and therefore none of them were borrowed from elsewhere?
> Why? Would they attack each other otherwise?
More peacefully coexisting similar looking non-cognates from Dansk
Etymologisk Ordbog.

basse "wild boar; heavy animal; big, strong, well-nourished person",
Old Da bassi, Norw., Sw. basse, cf ON valbassi "wild boar".
Hypochoristic formation with suffix -se, older -si from *-s-an- of
Germanic *barh-, *barG-, cf. Sw. dial barre, "ram" ON bo,rgr "hog",
Old Sax. OHG bar(u)g, German Barch "castrated boar", Old Engl. bearh,
Eng barrow idem ...

There was that pesky velar suffix again (none such in *baira-). And
strange how the meaning spreads from hogs to non-suiform [love that
word; good for an argument] males.

In the Danish army, when you transfer from boot camp ("rekrut" is the
derogatory word for the, should I say, inmates) you graduate to true
soldier, or "basse". There is (was) also a noble Danish family Basse.

Since its origin is contested I won't drag in
bas "leader"; borrowed fron Dutch, Low German baas, corresponding to
Fris. baes, High German Baas is from Low German; Engl. sl.
boss "master" is via Amer. from Dutch. The origin of the word, which
occurs first in Dutch, is disputed...

Perhaps I should check Falk & Torp?

> Torsten