Re: [tied] OE *picga

From: João Simões Lopes Filho
Message: 16481
Date: 2002-10-21

Could OE * picga < Brythonic? Perhaps a P-Celtic *pi-, related to
*k(W)yeu-, cf. Greek sys (<*kius?) Lithuanian kjaule, Latvian cuka(<kyuka),
Czech cune

Other two swine roots:

PIE pork^os , cf. Lat porcus Umb purka Lit parsas CG farxaz OIrl orc
OSl prasU Finnish porsas( <Indo Aryan *pars^as)
PIE *g^hri-s- [piglet] (?) Grk khoiros (<*gHoryos] ON griss (<CG grisaz)
Albanian der
D2c kyeu- (?) Grk sys <kius Lit kjaule Let zuka=cuka<kyuka
Tch cune

----- Original Message -----
From: Piotr Gasiorowski <piotr.gasiorowski@...>
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Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: [tied] OE *docga 'Fido'?

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tgpedersen
> To:
> Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 11:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [tied] OE *docga 'Fido'?
> > But is that related to the suffix in 'pig' and 'dog'? And what is the
relation to the Celtic *succos?
> No, OE -a in <frocga> etc. is the weak masculine ending (PGmc. *-o:n-,
like Latin -o: in homo: = OE guma; the plural is <frocgan>). It corresponds
to Goth. -a, OHG -o, and ON -i. Swedish -a in <sugga> is historically the
strong feminine ending (= PIE *-ah2), I think, corresponding to OE -u in
<sugu>. Celtic *succos seems to be much the same thing as Germanic *suko:,
except for the gender and the geminate (either expressive or derived from an
original cluster).
> > BTW strange that *su- "one's own; in-laws(?)" are related to swine in
IE, as if the pig was part of the family. Even stranger that something
similar occurs in Austronesian ("pet pig").
> "Babe: Pig in the City"? All right, I'm not convinced at all that
*su:s/*su- 'pig' and *swe- are related. There's _perhaps_ a connection
between the 'pig' terms and *suHnus 'son' via *seuH- 'bear offspring', but
even that is only a conjecture.
> Piotr
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