Re: [tied] Re: Check out Origin of Ancient Languages

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From: Miguel Carrasquer

To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 12:37 AM

Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Check out Origin of Ancient Languages

> (And I still don't have it right: I would now have said <bezé tchu>.  Why is
that wrong?)

 

Because <beze> is used in <beze mnie> 'without me' only. The rule of /e/ insertion in prepositional phrases is a very unfaithful inversion of the diachronic rule of yer preservation (more or less like intrusive /r/ in English), and this /e/ is employed to bust some inconvenient types of clusters whatever their origin (with some idiomatic special cases to complicate matters), not whenever demanded by Havlík's Law. Thus we say:

 

ze strony 'from a direction' BUT w strone 'in a direction',

we wtorek 'on Tuesday' BUT z wtorku 'from Friday'

w czwartek OR we czwartek 'on Thursday'

z serem 'with cheese' (but in colloquial Poznan' Polish <ze serem>)

w wodzie 'in water' (but in colloquial Poznan' Polish <we wodzie>)

we wszystkim, przede wszystkim 'first of all' (idiomatic) BUT przed wszystkimi 'before everybody' (regular)

we krwi 'in the blood (fig. = innate, natural)' BUT (usually) w krwi (literally)

 

Piotr