Re: [tied] Check out Origin of Ancient Languages

From: tgpedersen
Message: 16293
Date: 2002-10-16

--- In cybalist@..., Piotr Gasiorowski <piotr.gasiorowski@...>
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> > Just a small suggestion here that the idea that the "Aestii"
represented a tribe may be creating the problem here. Western Celtic
outposts along the Danube show that one of their strategies may have
been to take a strategic location -- without occupying a region or
becoming a "tribe" in the modern sense. It's therefore possible that
the language "like the Britons" reported by Tacitus was accurate,
referring to the language of the trade route or traders at a certain
point. There were many instances in history where trade was carried
on by what might be considered 'outsiders' and where "colonies" were
not settlements but rather "trading outposts." The influence of
Celtic-like material culture in the area of modern Poland might
support such a possibility.
> I agree in principle. One immediately thinks of the "Veneti" in
this context. The linguistic relationships of a number of extinct
languages (Venetic [as known from north Italy], Lusitanian, Messapic)
are probably best defined using my "para-" terminology. Italic
originated somewhere in central Europe (Austria, Bohemia, Bavaria?)
and although we find it in Italy in historical times, any number of
residual dialects may have remained north of the Alps. The spread of
Celtic and then of Germanic lead to their eventual extinction, but
perhaps not everywhere.
Note that there is something remarkable about the right bank of the
lower Oder: there was a chain of small but distinct archaeological
groups there in late La Tene early Roman times. Between AD 0 and 200
they remained differed from the Przeworks and Wielbark cultures, and
while materially similar to the cultures of the Elbe Germani, they
were not identical with them either.
> Piotr

There is of course Saxo's "Jomsborg" (its name in Danish
translations; somewhere on the south Baltic shore) / Jumne / Vineta.
Does that fit in here?