Re: [tied] Let dogs have their day too

From: Vassil Karloukovski
Message: 16003
Date: 2002-10-07

--- In cybalist@..., george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:
> ******GK: The only other language group I can think of
> which would have been geographically in position to be
> an intermediary would have been that of the "Kassogi".
> But I know absolutely nothing about Adyge, Kabardian,
> Circassian, Abkhazian etc. So the Turkic hypothesis (I
> wonder if the Codex Cumanicus contains "kopek-kobok"
> as sp. above) looks like the best bet at the
> moment.*****

I forward the response of one man with a great deal of
knowledge in Turkic l-s.

From: Yusuf B Gursey
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 3:36 PM
To: Karloukovski, Vassil
Subject: Re: 'sobaka'


sobaka could be from turkic ko"pek / kobak (those languages
that have it tend to use it for "domestic dog" while it < yt -
i.e. It - tends to be feral or wild dog in these languages -
like turkish uzbek) or from an old iranian language depending
on the age of the word in east slavic.

at any rate the turkic and iranian words are probably related.
most words for "dog" start with k- (typically kan-) in a very
large number of languges across families. iranian (and sometimes
slavic or balto-slavic) tend to have the sound change *k^-
(palatized k) > s-, the once famous (it is now found to be not
that significant) kentum / satem division of IE.

new persian has sag (probably derived frm the old iranian word

menges had called sobaka "the satem version ko"pek " (I think
in his book on the Igor tale).