Re: More numbers

--- In cybalist@..., Miguel Carrasquer <mcv@...> wrote:

> On Tue, 01 Oct 2002 13:13:36 -0000, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...>

wrote:

>
> >> >Notice also Guanche (Tenerife) cansa "five".
> >>
> >> Borrowed from Semitic, like arba "4".
> >
> >I wish I had your conviction of mind, w.r.to the direction of
> >loaning, I mean. /k/ (I asssume it is)
>
> Probably /x/, as Guanche was glossed by Spaniards (and at the time,

Spanish

> didn't have a velar fricative).
>
> >vs. /h/ seems to suggest the
> >other direction (but Gran Canaria simus-etti might be loaned the
> >direction you want it to, ie. from a Semitic language to Greater
> >Canaria;
>
> No. simusetti is clearly Berber.
>
>
> GC
> 1 nait ?
> 2 smetti Berber, if sn-etti
> 3 amelotti cf. Tenerife amiat, perhaps Egyptian Hmtw ?
> 4 acodetti Berber okkuz
> 5 simusetti Berber semmus
> 6 sesetti Berber sedis
> 7 satti Berber sa
> 8 tamatti Berber tam
> 9 alda marava Berber aDDa marawa
> 10 marava Berber marawa
>
> Except for 1 and 3, the Gran Canaria numerals are purely Berber.
>
> T
> 1 ben ?
> 2 lini ?
> 3 amiat cf. Gran Canaria amelotti, perhaps Egyptian

Hmtw ?

> 4 arba < Semitic ?arba3-
> 5 cansa < Semitic xamsa-
> 6 sumus 5 (+1) = Berber semmus
> 7 sàt Berber sa
> 8 set (5) + 3 = Berber s^rad ???
> 9 acot (5) + 4 = Berber okkuz
> 10 marago Berber marawa
>
> The Tenerife numbers are more difficult. 1 & 2 are unconnectable,

3 is like

> Gran Canaria. 4 & 5 borrowed from Semitic (Phoenician?). 6-9 are

idiosyncratic

> but clearly Berber, as is 10.
>
>
> =======================
> Miguel Carrasquer Vidal
> mcv@...

For the record, (I suspect you won't even go there) Plato says the
Atlanteans had conquered all land in the Mediterranean west of
Tyrrhenia and Egypt. The above is all reasonable and probably true,
but doesn't solve the question of direction.

Torsten