Re: [tied] for ignorants

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 15827
Date: 2002-09-30

Well, the Avar conquests in the Carpathian basin, Pannonia and the Balkans began _after_ 550 and some form of Slavic vassalage under the Avars (punctuated by revolts like that which ended in the establishment of Samo's state) lasted until the ultimate collapse of the power of the western Avars, defeated by Charlemagne, who received significant help from the politically ambitious Moravians, in the 790's. In the seventh century the Serbs were invited by the Byzantines to settle permanently in the western Balkans -- quite a massive migration; the Croats also moved into their present lands about the same time. Until the intrusion of the Magyars there was no abrupt boundary between the Western Slavs (and in particular Proto-Czech/Slovak) and the Serbian/Croatian/Slovene group. They formed a dialectal continuum, and there was certainly some movement of populations to and fro. After the Magyar conquest of Pannonia at least some of the local Slavs must have been displaced, migrating in various directions, but I don't know anything concrete about that.
 
Piotr
 
 
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I am specialy interested about something else. About "waves" of migration in south and south-est of europe a f t e r 550. If there are any records which will tell us about
succesive waves of slavs comming in the VII-X centuries from?, let us say, somewhere, and settling in the actualy Bulgaria and Serbia, or there is not record at all and the salvs from south are the people who migrated there until the end of VI century and  they developed well there.