--- Piotr Gasiorowski <piotr.gasiorowski@...>
wrote:

> G�ta �lv is untenable because the modern name
> derives from older *gauta albiz, which doesn't
> really look like Guthalus at all. Gut-halus =
> *gut(a)-xalsaz 'outflow-neck', as you suggest, is
> perhaps a better idea, though I'm not happy about
> the <-halus> part, unless Pliny's form is a
> misspelling for Guthalsus. Ptolemy has Chalusus
> <kHalouso-> for what was probably the western
> channel of the Oder. Either another garbled form
> (for expected *<kHalso->), or p erhaps we are
> dealing with a derivative of *xaljan- 'conceal,
> protect'.
>
> Piotr

*****GK: Thanks a lot everybody, especially you Piotr,
for your stabs at solving this. I doubt one can do
much better.*****

>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "george knysh" <gknysh@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, September 28, 2002 2:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [tied] Pliny's "Guthalus"
>
>
> > ******GK: The old "Gota alv" hypothesis for
> Guthalus
> > (first suggested in 1616) is no longer considered
> > tenable (see RdGA, XIII (1999) p. 229. It's "Gut"
> and
> > "hals" as the Germanic components. What is "Gut"?
> > Piotr doubts "good" though Steve thinks it
> possible.
> > There is also the "outpour" or "outflow" meaning
> and
> > if that is it then Guthalus would be "the
> outflow's
> > neck" which is descriptive of some kilometers of
> the
> > Oder between the sea and the small body of water
> > (inlet) between the actual inner coast and the
> Baltic.
> > Cf. any map. Some have also thought of an "ethnic"
> > hydronym relating to the Goths, but this may be "
> folk
> > etymology". It might however explain why Pliny
> mixed
> > up the direction in his listing. Perhaps he
> thought
> > the Guthalus needed to be placed first since the
> Goths
> > were the easternmost "Vandili".*****
> >
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