Re: [tied] Re: *gwistis

----- Original Message -----
From: "Wordingham, Richard" <richard.wordingham@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2002 9:09 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: *gwistis
> > > > [Moeller] /Z/ and (S) almost twins? Zalba= Salba,
Zigodie=
> > > > Sigodie, aSezare=aZesare, aStepta=aZtepta?be serious
> > please..
> > > > noone, even if drunk too much will not confunde
them:-)
> > >
> > > Consider the twins Apollo and Artemis. In appropriate
> > situations they could
> > > replace one another, but no-one would confuse them
either.
> > >
> > > Richard.
> >
> > [Moeller] for having an image of how possible is this
> > replacement you have to think as fallow:
> > you have the Romanian pe$te = fish and Romanian
peste=over, or
> > "on"
> > Let us suppose one is Artemis and one Apollo. Do you guess
> > they could replace each other?
>
> The 'twins' are /S/ and /Z/, spelt <$> and <j> in Romanian,
<ch> and <j> in
> French, and <s> and <zs> in Hungarian. Why are you asking
me to compare
> Apollo and Demeter? Mind you, having said that, can you
distinguish 'pe$te'
> and 'peste' when drunk? The loss of that distinction _is_ a
stereotypical
> sign of drunkenness in Englishmen.
>
> Richard..

[Moeller]
No I just tried to show you that /Z/ , /S/, are not twins, but
it seems my example was not so happy.
The /Z/ and /S/ are not interchangeable like we want them.
Changing one of these sounds you will have mostly an another
word with another meaning.
And that will be in romanian too, a sign of darkeness.