Re: [tied] Piotr and the Dacians:-)

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Subject: Re: [tied] Piotr and the Dacians:-)

> Problem is that in VI centuries there still have been bessi and some getic tribes . The question are:

 

Where have we got any Getic-speaking tribes in the sixth century (except for the Proto-Albanians, if they can be called Getic)? As for the Bessi, there are a few rather dubious reports like the one about three nuns at a monastery on Mount Sinai who still knew the language. By that time, all forms of Thracian were either dead or dying.

> -why we do not find romanians in other places as the places
which once where inhabited by getae

 

There are Arumanians in Greece, Bulgaria, Albania, Macedonia and Serbia, Megleno-Romanians in Greece, and Istro-Romanians in Croatia. None of those places (with the probable exception of northern Danubian Bulgaria and the adjacent parts of eastern Serbia) was inhabited by Getic speakers until the resettlement of the Roman Dacians.

> - how could the new commers spread over such a big areal until ukraine

 

How was the West won? By colonists looking for new opportunities.

> - how could the new commers get so large in a such shortly time

 

Who says it happened overnight? Transylvania was Hungarian-dominated until rather late.

> - where exactly is in balcan thier home land?

 

Roughly the modern territory of Macedonia, southern Serbia and western Bulgaria. That's what I'd put my money on. The Albanians also originated somewhere within this area.

 

> - where exactly is in Italy their hme land?

 

What's Italy got to do with it??

 

> - this is the only migration which remain undocumentated

 

Au contraire. Many migrations, even massive ones, are hard to document in detail.

> - this is the only migration from south to north of danube

 

Sorry, I didn't realise it was a one-way road. Is there a rule against moving north in the Balkans? How did the Neolithic spread north from the Balkans, then?

 

> - where have they been until X centuries

 

See above.

> - the name of the country. It was Dacia, becam Gothia, Gepidia, Part of Avarian Kaghanate, Cumania, but remained as a stamp for everybody in time as "Dacia"

 

Well, names of Roman provinces tend to be remembered, for obvious historical reasons. So what? Toscany is still called after the Etruscans, Silesia after the Silings, Macedonia after the ancient Macedonians, Bohemia and Bavaria after the Boii, etc. "Dacia" is a historical memory. The country is called Romania now. If you call France "Gaul" for rhetorical purposes, you won't resurrect ancient Gaul.

> - do not compare with albanian and take PIE roots and applay them to romanian substrate. See what about. Satem?Centum? Both?

 

As I said, Satem and related to Albanian (which is a Satem language, not a hybrid). Why "not compare", if most of the "Balkan substrate" words in Romanian have clear Albanian cognates?

 

> - why doesnt the plants found at dioscoride match with albanian plants name?

 

I haven't got Dioscorides' list to hand, but I believe the element <-dela> is rather common in supposedly Dacian plant names: cf. dialectal Alb. dyell (pl. dej) 'plantain'. The word <mantia> 'blackberry' has plausible Albanian connections as well. Folk names of medicinal plants are notoriously variable. You won't find many German ones with English cognates. 

 

> - vhy doesnt match the words from albanian with wotrds from dacians like Darsos, Aparia, Aparus, Naparis, Saldapa ( until I dont find the bloody source for Salapia I dont use this toponym never ever)

 

You mean Salda? It seems to me you're trying very hard to smuggle in more "apas" than can really be found in Dacian. I know nothing of Dacian "Aparia" or "Aparus" and I'd appreciate some evidence that the names are genuine (as for Salapia ... you know what). Many Dacian toponyms are practically unanalysable. We'd have to know their meaning before we decide whether or not they have any Albanian (or Romanian) connections. "Darsos" looks like something Thracian to me. As for Naparis, I doubt very much if it can have  anything to do with the Romanian word for the blindworm, as you suggested some time ago: blindworms are not aquatic.

 

Piotr