Re: [tied] r/n datives

From: Miguel Carrasquer
Message: 14799
Date: 2002-08-30

On Thu, 29 Aug 2002 21:30:53 +0200, Piotr Gasiorowski
<piotr.gasiorowski@...> wrote:

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>> How would the dative of a PIE r/n noun be formed? I am thinking here in particular of *pe'H2ur, *pH2we'n-s, "fire."
>*ph2wén-ei, IMO. But it has to be stressed that a paradigm like this is particularly prone to analogical restructuring.

Other possibilities are *ph2unéi (amphidynamic) and *ph2wéni (Dat. = Loc.).

My personal theory is that the dative and locative were originally the same
case, and that the dative (*-éi) arose out of generalization of the
hysterodynamic (end-stressed) Dat/Loc, while the locative is (*'-i) is the
proterodynamic (not-end-stressed) Dat/Loc. Inanimate nouns being
proterodynamic, and hysterodynamic nouns being animate [leaving aside for now
the animate proterodynamics], the grammaticalization of the distinction is
easily explainable (inanimates have little use for the dative, while animates
have little use for the locative). Only secondarily did inanimate datives (such
as *ph2wénei, with two e-grades in the same word) or animate locatives (such as
as *ph2téri) arise. The proterodynamic animates we left aside earlier probably
became one of the sources of the amphidynamic nouns (with begin-stress in the
Nom/Acc, end-stress in the oblique, e.g. *népo:ts, D. *neptéi [perhaps not the
best example]).

Miguel Carrasquer Vidal