Re: Non-Indo-European Vocabulary in Greek?/Achilles Heel

From: tgpedersen
Message: 14109
Date: 2002-07-22

--- In cybalist@..., "mrcaws" <MrCaws@...> wrote:
> --- In cybalist@..., Andrei Markine <andrey@...> wrote:
> > At 2/21/2002 07:52 AM +0000, tycho137 wrote:
> > >--- In cybalist@..., "mrcaws" <MrCaws@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Do you happen to know where I could find info on the Talos/
> > >Sun god
> > > > connection? By the way, I posted something on connections
> > >between
> > > > Orion, Achilles, and Talos in #12328
> > >
> > >About O, A, and T being attacked in the heel, I note that in
> > >Krishna is described as being attacked there also. So this might
> > >be a result of perceiving one's heel as especially vulnerable; I
> > >can't think of any special reason for that, however.
> >
> > In theory of Chinese foot massage, each part of foot is said to
> linked
> > to some internal organ so that massaging the particular area of
> foot can
> > stimulate the linked organ. Excessive pain during massage is
> explained that
> > the linked organ is out of order.
> > Now, the area around Achilles sinew (just above the heel, where
> Achilles
> > was presumably wounded) is linked to sexual glands... Probably,
> strong
> > Achilles was not that healthy and the Minos brazen man died not
> exactly of
> > bleeding...
> >
> > Andre
> Hmm. Well, Orion was attacked by the scorpion while in pursuit of
> Artemis, or for attempting to rape one of the followers of Artemis.
> Wasn't Talos pursuing Medea in one version of hiss death?
> Maybe death byh a wound in the heel is seen as a fitting death for
> those who have commited sexual misconduct?
> In another possibly related tradition, Orion had his eyes ripped
> for raping a woman. Oedipus tore out his eyes after he discovered
> that he had been indaveratnly commiting a sexul crime as well.
> Hephaestus eventualy helped Orion restore his eyesight by
> to the home of dawn(the sun?). And Oedipus was lame from a young
> from having his ankles staked together when cast out by his birth
> parents.
> That means Hephaestus appears in a story with all 3
> (forging his armor), Talos(creatinmg him) and Orion(restoring his
> eyesight). And Hephaestus was lame from when his birth parents
> him out of heaven and he broke his ankles.

Fortunately I found the book again on sale:

Emmeline Plunket: Calendars and Constellations of the Ancient World,
John Murray, 1903.

Apollo, the far-darter, Artemis the goddess of the silver bow, also
shared these same attributes [as Chiron and Rudra: wisdom, archery
and medicine], and Grecian legend would lead us to place them in the
same part of the heavens as that allotted to Chiron - ie.
Sagittarius. Apollo prompted Artemis to aim a shaft from her bow at a
point on the horizon, and this point was the head of the hunter
Orion. Now the constellation Orion is exactly in opposition to the
bow stars of Sagittarius; that the legend is astronomical is plainly
to be inferred from its variant form, in which Artemis is represented
as sending a Scorpion to sting Orion to death. The stars marking the
Scorpio's sting are in very close proximity to the bow stars of