Re: Nostratic's New Guinea Home

"tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
<<But as has been pointed out several times etc, etc; in other words, did the
backwash occur immediately after the mutation; they might have waited some
ten thousands of years?>>

I don't remember that there were any large concentrations of derived m09
reported for New Guinea. So, to the extent we can trust the data, the
carriers of the original 09 would have left New Guinea (or South East Asia)
before the string of 09 mutations started. But remember that mutations
(according to this study) are averaged about every 5,000 - 11,000 years. And
the gene needed some time to go forth and multiply BEFORE they left. So,
it's not like one guy with a brand new mutation in his Y-Chromosome felt some
kind of an itch and took off. There is I remember a high concentration of
one immediately subsequent 09 type in Cambodia, others in Japan and America
and Central Asia. So, the spread of 09 may have been in many waves and
directions. And remember that this started maybe about 30,000BC or earlier,
so land masses and climates may vary.

<<Which reminds me: for them to go backwards, covering their own
tracks, for their own safety, they would have needed a boat, considering that
on the way out they were a beach-combing, hence beach-hugging species.>>

This original 09 group were definitely travelers. And I'm a big believer in
early water-bourne travel.

<<Speaking of which, the casual depiction of Bering Strait crossers
traveling across a Bering Strait bridge by foot, baggage in hand,
annoys me. Being Danish, you know a little about conditios in
Greenland, which would be similar in climate and geography; only a
narrow strip of land along the coast is ice-free. Still today, there
are no roads there, if you move, you do it by boat in summer, by dog-
sleigh in winter, across the sea-ice across fjords. You don't walk;
that's suicide.>>

Interesting point. This is currently a big bone of contention between the
Clovis and the coastal migration groups. I suspect we are a little fooled by
the steppes/horse analogy in a lot of these locations (e.g., the Black Sea.)
Look at all the IE migration maps -- e.g., Mallory's and Renfrew's -- and
they always go AROUND the Black Sea. But in fact the water may have been a
faster and better highway than the land. Linguistic "contact" may have been
stronger across water and up and down rivers than across dry land. And the
route to Central Asia from east or west may have been a lot more comfortable
with better food if you went by way of water and up through India and
Pakistan then the other way around -- even with horses. Alexander went home
by boat.

Steve