Re: Nostratic's New Guinea Home

--- In cybalist@..., x99lynx@... wrote:

> "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> <<Aha! Oho! Sundaland! Floods! Disasters! I told you so! (and

annoying etc

> etc)>>
>
> Looking at the Underhill tree again, I see just how old the

underived 09

> mutation (haplotype 87) may be. It is a mere 5 mutations from

the "non-human

> primate" root. Two generations back its predecessor is the founder

node for

> 80% of all Underwood's groups (e.g., about 80% of the variation in

all modern

> human males) and which supposedly "marks the expansion of

anatomically

> modern humans out of Africa."
>
> 09 itself generated about 40% of all such variations in modern

human males.

>
> So the Underhill's "New Guinea" mutation looks like it is way, way

back

> there. We are given a wide range of dates for all this -- 35,000BP

to 89,000

> BP-- and Underhill's estimate is relatively recent for these kinds

of

> estimates. If we send 09 half-way back and do use Underhill's

dates (?),

> then the original 09 mutation would date at 18,000BP - 44,000BP --

average it

> to about 31,000BP. This would put it about 20,000 years before the

end of

> the ice age and maybe 15,000 years before there were such a thing

as a modern

> Steppe climate. And 23,000 years before the first farmers and

about 20,000

> years before the disappearance of the sabre-tooth tiger and the

mastodon.

>
> So I would imagine that there wouldn't be too much memory left of

all this.

>
>
> Steve

Of the mutation, no. But as has been pointed out several times etc,
etc; in other words, did the backwash occur immediately after the
mutation; they might have waited some ten thousands of years?
Which reminds me: for them to go backwards, covering their own
tracks, for their own safety, they would have needed a boat,
considering that on the way out they were a beach-combing, hence
beach-hugging species.

Speaking of which, the casual depiction of Bering Strait crossers
traveling across a Bering Strait bridge by foot, baggage in hand,
annoys me. Being Danish, you know a little about conditios in
Greenland, which would be similar in climate and geography; only a
narrow strip of land along the coast is ice-free. Still today, there
are no roads there, if you move, you do it by boat in summer, by dog-
sleigh in winter, across the sea-ice across fjords. You don't walk;
that's suicide. They have a word, qivitoq, for someone who has lost
it and has walked into the fjeld (Danish: rocks, mountains).

Torsten