Re: [tied] Kurgan Dates and Places

--- x99lynx@... wrote:

> George wrote:
> <<And there is an interesting paper by Michail
> Turetskyi of Samara which
> tells us that the latest calibrated radiocarbon
> dates for the "developed"
> Yamna culture on the Middle Volga point to the
> period 3250-2750 BC. Thus
> "Early Yamna"
> would begin ca. 3500 BC.>>
>
> But I think Turetskyi is saying something else in
> the abstract about "early
> Yamna" that is more significant. One thing he does
> is identify the earliest
> Yamna ("Kurgan") materials with Repinskaya materials
> found in the "North
> Sub-Caspian".

*****GK: Yes he does point out that the Yamna(ya) c.
in his area of interest is not autochtonous. Be aware,
however, that the Repinska(ya) culture did not
originate in the "North Sub-Caspian" or, as you state
later with "points east". It spread to the Sub-Caspian
FROM THE WEST, i.e. from the Middle Don and Siverskyj
Donets. The Repinska(ya) c. was formed on the basis of
the Dereivka phase of Serednyj Stih, with
contributions from the Pit-Comb c. and the Middle
Lower Mikhajlovka c. See the Russian language article
by L.A. Spitsina at
http://archaeology.kiev.us/pub.cgi?i0183******

(Steve)> This is from the piece you mention:

> "The earliest graves of ancient-Yamnaya culture in
> the Middle-Volga region
> can be dated by the first half of the III mill. B.C.
> ��� middle part of the III
> mill. B.C. At this time separated sites or elements
> of traditions of
> Repinskaya culture appears on the broad territory
> from the Dnieper to the
> Volga including the steppe Trans-Volga region as a
> result of migrations and
> diffusions. Material of Repinskaya culture from
> sites of North Sub-Caspian
> and funeral complexes of Yamnaya culture of
> north-steppe Samara Trans-Volga
> can be with great degree of confidence interpreted
> AS OF THE SAME CULTURE.
> (my caps)
>
> "This resemblance is revealed by typological
> proximity of ceramics,
> settlement and funeral sites. It is the clearest
> indicator of belonging to
> the early stage of Yamnaya culture.
>
> "There are no metal tools in numerous interments of
> this period. Scanty
> number of early Yamnaya burials means that Yamnaya
> tribes in the Middle-Volga
> region are not native. ... Predominant part of
> Yamnaya funerals of Samara
> Trans-Volga belongs to the late stage."
>
> Steve
>

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