From: niffabs
Message: 13374
Date: 2002-04-19
>Please excuse me if i am showing a lack of knowledge here, but could
> --- tarasovass <S.Tarasovas@...> wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@..., george knysh <gknysh@...>
> > wrote:
> > > > (Sergei)An (alternative) Old Russian name of
> > Dnieper
> > > was
> > > > probably _So,vodU_.
> > > > A NE Iranian calque or an inherited PIE pattern?
> > >
> > > *****GK: That's quite interesting. What's your
> > source
> > > for this probable alternative name?******
> > >
> >
> > Before I recall the source and check it up, here's a
> > tentative
> > answer: _Samvaton_ (or so?) is mentioned by
> > Porphyrogenetes (?) as
> > the name of a fortress on a bank of the Dnieper.
>
> *****GK: Porphyrogenitus' "Samvatas" is indeed taken
> to be the name of one of the forts which existed in
> the area of Kyiv in the mid-10th c. Whether it was
> actually the fort which developed into the city (the
> area where the palace of Olha and Ihor was located c.
> 950) or another fort (there were others which were
> abandoned by the late 10th c.) is not quite clear. But
> I have never seen the name interpreted as a hydronym.
> Usually one sees this as a Turkic appellative due to
> the initial "sam-" (as in Samkerch=Tmutorokan), the
> suggestion being that it was either a Khazar or
> Pecheneg name for the fort in question.== As for a
> river (I am working from memory here) I do remember
> that there was an attempt to link this "Samvatas" to
> the unlocalized "Sambation" of Jewish folklore. As far
> as I know, however, the only alternative name of the
> Dnipro would be "Slavutych". Let us know when you
> find your source.*******
>
>
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