Re: [tied] Did the Gauls speak some kind of Latin?

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 13214
Date: 2002-04-12

Dear A.,
 
You are not free to say what you like about Gaulish or Celtiberian, since the languages in question are known from rather large corpora of inscriptions. Though our knowledge of them cannot be said to be complete, we at least know very well what they looked like and in what respects they differed from Latin. While there was a certain degree of similarity due to common descent (Latin and Celtic were not only IE but also members of the "Western" areal grouping within the family), they similarity was hardly greater than, say, between Baltic and Slavic (which rules out mutual comprehensibility beyond being able to guess the meaning of individual words). To claim otherwise it to bend facts. If Caesar was worried about his secret correspondence, this means that some of the Celts he was afraid of were literate, and likely to know a little Latin.
 
I recommend Chris Gwinn's website presenting the continental Celtic corpus. Anyone who knows Latin can judge for himself how comprehensible the inscriptions are. There's nothing like first-hand experience. It's better even than reliance on the authority of Strabo and Ennius.
 
http://christophergwinn.com/celticstudies/insframe.htm
 
Piotr
 
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From: altamix
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Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 10:15 AM
Subject: [tied] OK, there is maybe a failure, but which one?

I made a supposition that in the south of europe , excepting some
enclaves, the people spoked all a lexicaly similar language
with latin.Please keep in mind I do not speak about literar ,
ciceronian latin but I mean with "latin" that "lingua barbara"
in the meaning of which the romans meant it.

Here we have several statements of ancient writers regarding
the "almost identity" of these languages.

Some example:


for Iberia:
Enninus ( 239-169 BC) affirm the people spoken a kind of latin
there .Because the romans just went there at that time, we
cannot speak about an romanised folk at that time.

for galia:
strabon tells us that Iulius have had to crypt his letters to his
generals in Greece because of the similarity of the celtic
dialects spoken in Galia with the latin language.