Re: [tied] Proto Romanian Cradle

> --- altamix <altamix@...> wrote:
> A folk ist
> > now, we like it or
> > not, the myths, traditions, belives and language.
> > Or if you try to get these factor out of a identity
> > of a folk you
> > have no folk to speak about anymore:)))
>
> *****GK: This is highly disingenuous. Piotr is after
> all hardly trying to "factor out" myths and
> traditions. What he is saying, unless I have
> misunderstood him, but I don't think I have, is that
> many such "myths" have no verifiable historical basis,
> and must be used with immense caution (if used at all)
> in any scientific attempts to reconstruct the real as
> contrasted to the "imaginary or if you will "mythical"
> history of a people.*******

[Moeller] all I said it awas about his comparation with " a friend fo
my sister told me". And hier I pointed out what is an Identity of a
folk and what you are supposed to get if you wipe its identity out.

> >
> > How you [Piotr GK] see, toponisms, hidronisms,
> onomastics
> > cannot be sufficient
> > to say " we know that these were DIFFERENT
> > languages"
> >
> > But we have wrotten affirmations which says " they
> > speak the same
> > language" . I guess it is far, far more as simple
> > deduction and that what you embrace is , in this
> > case, "scientific
> > speculations"...
>
> *****GK: Where did Strabo say that Celts, Dacians,
> Thracians, and Latins "speak the same language"? I'll
> tell you where, nowhere. You can certainly use him to
> argue that to a Greek Dacian and Thracian sounded
> pretty similar (and perhaps were as close as say
> Portuguese and French or whatever). But you can't use
> this to back up a theory of commonality (other than IE
> of course) between all the languages you've mentioned.

[Moeller] he didnt say as you write here. He said in Balcan
inclusively the dacians from both sides of Danube speak the same
language.(he excepted greek and ilirians here)
And about the celst from Galia he said their language is very similar
with latin. OK?