Re: [tied] The Dravidian Salesman

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 13059
Date: 2002-04-06

First, "3.8%" means 383 entries in absolute terms, which is not all that thin. Even those of Kuiper's critics who question some of the items admit that the number must be about 350. Please note that the Rigveda represents traditional poetic language, certainly more conservative and puristic than the colloquial language, which may have been much more receptive to foreign loans.
 
Secondly, I said "Old Indo-Aryan", not just Rigvedic. That includes several later stages, such as the language of the Brahmanas and of the Sutras, and finally Epic and Classical Sanskrit. The influx of loans increased dramatically in post-Rigvedic times. I have no statistics to offer, but it's fair to say that during the OIA period the vocabulary of Indo-Aryan expanded greatly thanks to contact with the non-Indo-European languages of the subcontinent.
 
Piotr
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: vishalsagarwal
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Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 1:47 AM
Subject: Re: [tied] The Dravidian Salesman
 
> The presence of thick rich substrate layers in Indo-Aryan demonstrates that Old Indo-Aryan engulfed and absorbed a number of other languages ...

What do you mean by 'thick'? To my knowledge, Kuiper's list derives about 3.8% of RV vocabulary from non IA sources. I do not think that is all that 'thick'.

Regarding some other attempts recently, the less said the better.

Vishal