Re: [tied] Sanskrit and e, a, o

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 12683
Date: 2002-03-15

The basic short-vowel system of Sanskrit (ignoring syllabic liquids) is just that: [i], [a], [u]. At a sufficiently high level of abstraction it is even possible to regard [i] and [u] (at least when analysing vowel alternations) as surface realisations of underlying /y/ and /w/. This is not a "hypothetical construct" of modern scholars: the ancient Indian grammarians analysed their vowel system in exactly the same way. The status of [e:] and [o:] (always phonetically long) is special. Unlike [a:], [i:], [u:], they have _no short counterparts_ in Sanskrit, and in vowel alternations they pattern in a way that reveals their secondary character and diphthongal origin:
 
reduced grade   normal grade   lengthened grade
  - -------------- a  ------------- a:
  i -------------- e: ------------- a:i
  u -------------- o: ------------- a:u
  R -------------- ar ------------- a:r
 
This is why the ancient grammarians analysed [e:] and [o:] as underlying /a+y/ and /a+w/, so that in terms of abstract phonemic representation we have the following alternations:
 
reduced grade   normal grade   lengthened grade
  - -------------- a  ------------- aa
  y -------------- ay ------------- aay
  w -------------- aw ------------- aaw
  r -------------- ar ------------- aar
 
Is the rationale good enough?
 
BTW, humans can make a many different sounds, but don't always employ them as speech segments. There are numerous languages with small vowel inventories, and the three-way system /a, i, u/ is relatively common.
 
Piotr
 
 
 
From: michael_donne
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 4:45 AM
Subject: [tied] Sanskrit and e, a, o

Why do linguists say that Sanskrit only had the (basic) vowels i, a,
u and not the vowels included in the Latin/Greek e, a, o when it is
obvious from the extant earliest Sanskrit texts that they had e and o?

Why do they ignore the existing extensive evidence in favor of some
hypothetical construct when it seems apparent to me that humans
probably had those sounds from near the time they diverged from
chimpanzees.

What is the rationale here? (It had better be good. :-)