Re: [tied] Re: I, Hercules [was: A "Germanic" query]

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 12601
Date: 2002-03-03

C'mon, Torsten, I gave just one particularly illustrative example of the man's abysmal ignorance, as anyone who visits the site may see for himself. There is a level below which things are not worth discussing. The article is thoroughly and grotesquely wrong, so perhaps you could save your fine logic for something really worth defending.
 
Piotr
 
P.S. *Vakkr and Vakr are two different things. The epithet <vakr> means 'vigilant, alert', from ON vaka 'wake'.
 
The names Vahagn and Vahram/Vr.am are Armenian versions of Iranian *vrTra-jan-/-gna- 'dragon-killer' (Av. v&r&Tra-jan-/-Gna-; the first element has variants like *va:ra-).
 
P.
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: tgpedersen
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2002 12:56 PM
Subject: [tied] Re: I, Hercules [was: A "Germanic" query]

> ----- Original Message -----
> From: tgpedersen
> To: cybalist@......
> Sent: Monday, February 25, 2002 12:59 PM
> Subject: [tied] Re: I, Hercules [was: A "Germanic" query]
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> And since you brought up that subject, I came across this website
> looking for something else
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> http://www.arminco.com/hayknet/tapan.htm

--- In cybalist@......, "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> The page only shows that having a PhD in chemistry does not qualify
one for linguistic or historical research, even at the "knowledgeable
amateur" level (of course linguists and historians should not
pontificate on matters chemical). The imagination boggles at the
author's analysis of the name "Gilgamesh" in terms of (Modern!)
Armenian elements.
>
> Piotr
>
>
As I understand your raisonnement, it is:

1) NN has said something wrong

2) Whatever NN says is wrong

3) The article is wrong

which is a fine example of the application of induction and
deduction. Now I think I recall Sir Karl criticizing the principle of
induction, but I might have misunderstood him.

The story went like this: Snorri says Thor was known as Asa-Thor and
Oka-Thor, so I thought: Aha, Thor is known from both Alan and
Armenian sources and the last name might have to do with Vahagn >
*WaGn- . To my surprise I find this guy postulates an Armenian god
Asatur.
And while I'm at it: Someone criticized that *WaGn would be *Vakk- 
in Norse. But one of Odin's names is Vak-r