Re: Accepted cognates of Arya?

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> From: tgpedersen
> To: cybalist@...
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2002 6:16 PM
> Subject: [tied] Re: Accepted cognates of Arya?
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> I'm sorry. You're right, I replaced "noble etc" with "true, real",

so it would look more symmetrical. So, did I understand you correctly
that you want to stake your

> reputation as a linguist that Germanic *ala- "true, real" is not

borrowed from or a cognate of Alanic *ala- < PII *arya- "noble etc"?

--- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> It's a safe bet, given the semantics of the compounds with *ala-
(e.g. OHG in alahalbo:n 'all over', in alano:t 'necessarily',
alamahti:g 'almighty', alawa:r 'completely true',
alaniuwi 'completely new', alawalt 'all-powerful', etc.; Gothic
alabrunsts 'whole-burnt offering', alaþarba 'quite poor' [surely
not 'as poor as a lord']). 'Complete, entire, whole, quite' works
much better than 'noble' (leaving aside the question whether 'noble'
is a legitimate translation of Indo-Iranian *arya-). *ala- and *alla-
(< *alna-) are ultimately related to *h2al- 'grow' (OHG & OE alan, ON
ala, Lat. alo), and the participial adjective *h2al-to- 'grown,
great' (Lat. altus, PGmc. *ald-/*alþ- 'old').
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> Piotr
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Given that someone once suggested a connection between Lat.
<totus> "whole, all" and *teuta "people", the difference in semantics
between the assumed roots Germ./Lat. *ala- and Indo-Aryan *arya-
"noble" (if that) doesn't seem unbridgeable. Are there any IE
languages in which both roots appear?

Torsten