Re: [tied] Re: I, Hercules [was: A "Germanic" query]

The High German shift ca. AD 420?? I would think it's the later version Duringa that shows the regular shift of þ- > d-, and that the <th> [þ] is original, not Latinate. The Hermunduri are attested so early that the <d> must be original as well, and it follows that the names are not related. Thorsten's "Thorings" look good to me, though of course I'd prefer to analyse the name as dissimilated *þunr-ing-.

Piotr

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Subject: [tied] Re: I, Hercules [was: A "Germanic" query]

--- In cybalist@......, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@......> wrote: > And why these extra assumptions? Because we could then analyse > Thoringia (Thuringia) as *þor-ing- etc. If we didn't, who were > those people then -ing-'s, followers of, if not of þor? "th" in Roman Latin was pronounced as [t] + [h], not as the thorn letter. In "Thuringi" the Romans heard an aspirated "t". An older name for that tribe was "Hermanduri". "Thuringi" means "sons of the Duri", plus that the High German sound shift has started including [d] to [t]. Note also Roman "Saltus Teutoburgensis", with thorn spelt as "t", if this name means "people fort", and if |as is likely) the modern German spelling "Teutoburgerwald" has been influenced via learned routes from the Roman record.