Thrace

George asks:

 

O-: *****GK: Could you put this more clearly? I take it

O-: that "yy" above was a typo for "my". What are the

O-: boundaries of your Thrace?*****

 

Guilty on the yy = my.

 

Thrace; according to Rex:

 

When:  Highest contiguous extent of linguistically and ethnically related tribal groups with self identifying link; between IE introduction and shaving incursions, (for our purposes between 2500 BCE and 600 BCE).

 

Where: Most of the eastern half of the Balkan Peninsula with a sharp Carpathian center, expanding to:

 

Borders:  (approximate) 

Begin a line to the North of what would become Thessaly; eastward into the Aegean and on into Anatolia. Northward then along the west coast of the Black Sea, eastward again across the Dniester to the extent of modern R.O. Moldova, northward to turn back west, irregular at the extent of population dominance by Carps and Costobocs (North of the N Carpathian slope) Westward to then angle SW well into Pannonia, turning due south to touch the Adriatic in what is now Albania, easterly to close with the line start point.

 

Periodic influence:  Deeper into Anatolia and the Aegean via Mysia, Bithynia, Phrygia; well into the Steppes east of the Dniester; larger piece of Adriatic coastline in SW.  Northward?   Westward?      

 

(based on my interpretation of the origin of the Greek use of the Word, and various reported linguistic and tribal relationships.)

 

Checking to reinforce after the above:  The oldest map I can find is a jpg of a 1700 English copy of a Roman Map: showing an inset (apparently of a Latinized Greek map) in the top third over a Roman province political map.)  The Roman political “Thracia Pars” tracks with the south of the Danube and North of the Aegean limitations of a Pre -Ottoman ‘Thrace”. The one above it, however..has Thracia in Large script with the R-A straddling the Danube, “Odrysia”  south of the Danube, with the “T” well into the Carpathians.. with an additional smaller script “Thracia Propria”   indicating Transylvania but extending almost to the Adriatic.  Still this map is chopped short of the North slopes of the Carpathians, or the North of the Black sea.)  The small script “Odrysia” most accurately tracking with the modern idea of Thrace as a region.   Aye.

 

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