Re: [tied] Scythians, Zoroastrians, etc.

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 12439
Date: 2002-02-23

"Scythian" is a cultural cover term for a number of peoples, and it's hard to guarantee that they were linguistically homogenous. Let's put it this way: they were predominantly northern (Saka) Iranians, and the later "Sarmatian" tribes were linguistically akin to them in linguistic trems.
 
The Iranians languages show numerous common phonological innovations, lexical peculiarities, etc., which separate them from Indo-Aryan and Nuristani and establish "Iranian" as a bona fide genetic grouping. Still, even the earliest known forms of Iranian (Avestan, Old Persian, Median) were already quite strongly differentiated. This is understandable in view of the fact that the Iranians were divided into a great number of tribes that expanded over a vast territory -- eventually extending from Eastern Europe via Central Asia and the Middle East all the way to what is now Xinjiang (NW China).
 
Nomadic speakers of late common Indo-Iranian (or of early Indo-Aryan, Iranian and presumably other related dialects -- cf. Nuristani) appeared in Central Asia (the Bactria-Margiana cultural area) probably shortly after 2000 BC, migrating from somewhere within the area of the steppe belt of SE Europe, Kazachstan and the plains of SW Siberia. In several recent articles, Michael Witzel identifies the fabulous Avestan "homeland of all Airiia (eastern Iranians)" (Airiianem Vae:jah) as the Central Afghanistan Highlands, but the early Iranians were rather mobile: eastern (Avestan) Iranians entered East Iran towards the end of the second millennium BC. A couple of centuries later the western Iranian Medes migrated south of the Caspian Sea to the eastern borders of Mesopotamia, and the Persians crossed over from Central Asia to northwestern and then southwestern Iran.
 
The homeland of Zarathustra, and of Gathic (Gatha/Yasna Avestan, but not of the younger Avestan texts), was probably NW Afghanistan. The absolute dating of Zarathustra's lifetime and of his religious reform is extremely difficult (late 2nd millennium BC?). The Zoroastrian revolution should not be associated with the (much earlier) Indic/Iranian split, though in its wake the remaining Indo-Aryan "non-believers" in Afghanistan and NW Iran were subjected to some kind of ethnic and religious cleansing. Not all Iranians were converted to Zoroastrianism: the new religion, influential as it was (especially after Darius I and his successors accepted it), appears to have made at best small-scale inroads among the northern Iranians. It had a long and complex life, becoming locally amalgamated with older polytheistic beliefs (such as the Median non-Zoroastrian religion) and giving rise to derived variants and heresies.
 
Piotr
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: michael_donne
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, February 22, 2002 9:20 PM
Subject: [tied] Scythians, Zoroastrians, etc.

I think I noticed in another thread that the Scythians were not
Zoroastrians. But they were members of the (Indo)Iranian language
family?

Is there any evidence how many early Iranian-speaking groups there
might have been? Would they all have originally been Zoroastrian? Is
there any evidence where they were originally located? Is there any
idea what caused them to splinter and then spread so widely over
Central Asia?




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