Re: [tied] The Scythian brothers

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 11995
Date: 2002-01-04

The most widely circulated theory about Zamolxis (it requires Zalmoxis to be a metathetically garbled variant) is indeed the one Torsten refers to: Zamol-ksi- = 'earth-lord (Iranian *xs^aya-)', not unlike Lithuanian Z^eme-patis. BTW, Zamolxis was a Dacian (Getic) god, not a Thracian one, but the whole point is that his name appears to be mixed, Daco-Iranian. There are some formal problems here: to get the Dacian vocalism right, the "Zamol-" part should be reconstructed as *g^He:m-ol- (?), with rather strange vowel grades. Albanian, which I believe to be an offshoot of Dacian, has <dhe> [ðe] 'earth', derivable from *(dH)g^Ho:m, an entirely uncontroversial form. Secondly, it is not clear to me how Iranian *xs^aya- is supposed to have become Dacian ksi-, but then we do not know very much about the fine details of Dacian phonetics.
 
Anyway, in addition to the possibilities listed by Torsten, there are at least two others: (1) that the analysis of Zamolxis = 'earth-lord' is partly or completely wrong, (2) that the first element is Iranian as well. The Iranian 'earth' stem is *zam-, after all.
 
Thanks for checking the Herodotean spelling. There's no need to rule out short *i, which is fine.
 
Piotr
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: george knysh
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 6:04 PM
Subject: [tied] The Scythian brothers

Hello Piotr,

The Greek text of Herodotus in the Loeb edition has
LIPOKSAIN (acc.) and LIPOKSAIOS (nom.) in the relevant
contexts.

BTW what do you think of Torsten's idea about the -XIS
in Zalmoxis?