Re: [tied] Re: The Scythian Brothers

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski"
> <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> > Skt. lip- (limpati) 'smear, anoint, pollute' might
> perhaps work.
> One would expect Proto-Iranian *rip- (I don't know
> if it's attested
> in Iranian),

*****GK: For what it's worth I notice that in two
contexts of the RigVeda the term "rip" appears, in the
sense of "earth" (according to some translators at any
rate, English and Russian): cf. RV 1.5.5 and RV
10.79.3*****

(PG)with *ri- > *li- in the lambdicising

> dialect in
> question.

*****GK: Note however that LIP- may have come into
this "lambdacising" dialect directly from a local i.e.
Thrakoid source, with no r/l issues. Generally
speaking, I think that when analyzing Herodotan
Scythian names and compounds one should keep in mind
the high probability of linguistic interplays: Greek,
Iranic, "Thracian" (the local Right Bank lingo of "Old
Scythia") and Baltic (because of the "Inner Neuri" in
Aukhata territory). Sanskrit is useful as providing
possible links with the latter three (with Gk also of
course but to a lesser extent I would think).******

The underlying IE root is *leip- 'stick,

> adhere; fat' (as
> in Slavic *le^piti), with fairly general and varied
> semantics. Even
> Eng. life, live (< *li:b- < *leip-) are thought by
> many authors to
> belong here, via something like 'stick' > 'stay,
> remain' [Goth. bi-
> leiban, Germ. b-leiben] > 'live'. Somewhat
> paradoxically, Eng. leave
> is a family member as well, being derived from the
> causative *laibjan-
> < *loip-(e)je- 'cause to remain, leave behind'. I'm
> digressing, but
> my purpose is to show the possible extent of
> semantic drift for such
> a root.
> >
> > _Very_ hypothetically (using possible but purely
> conjectural forms
> is hardly a sound method), one could imagine *ripa-
> (Skt. lipa-
> 'smearing', Greek lipos 'fat, tallow') with the
> derived
> meaning 'soil' (via 'dirt, clay, sticky substance'.


> >
> > Piotr

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