--- In cybalist@..., jdcroft@... wrote:
> Torsten wrote
>
> > Jordanes says that this happened some generations before the time
of
> > "Vesosis", that is, Sesostris (the corrupt forms Sesosis, Vesosis
> > appear also in Justin's history); no matter which Sesostris is
> > meant the exodus must have taken place before the middle of the
> > second millennium B.C
>
> There has been confusion between the Sesostris of Herodotus and at
> least two Egyptian monarchs Rameses II (called Sese) and Senusret
III
> (1878-1841 BCE according to Clayton). Both saw themselves as great
> conquering monarchs. Despite huge successes against the Nubians in
> ye 12 & 15 of his 35 year long reign, Senusret did not campaign
> widely in Asia - this as I mentioned before is vague memories of
> Rameses II's own campaigns at Kadesh.
>
> > Could you provide examples of that, other than Egyptians and
> > Colchidians (and Sea Peoples, then! *D-n-n among them? Hm.),
within
> > Herodotus' horizon? That would be nice.
>
> I have been hunting them for some time. I feel that by the time of
> Herodotus, circumcision (as a result of invasions by non-
circumcising
> Phrygians and Armenians) was confined to a few people were left
> usually in out of the way, remote locations. The Anabasis of
> Xenophon is a good place to start searching.
>
> Regards
>
> John
As to the identity of Vesosis/Sesotris:
"
Manetho: AEGYPTICA (EPITOME)
BOOK II
Dynasty XII
Fr. 34 (from Synchellus), According to Africanus
from the Second Book of Manetho.
The Twelfth Dynasty consisted of seven kings of Diospolis
Sesonchosis, son of Ammanemês, for 46 years.
Ammanemês, for 38 years: he was murdered by his own eunuchs
Sesotris, for 48 years: in nine years he subdued the whole of Asia,
and Europe as far as Thrace, everywhere erecting memorials of his
conquest of the tribes. Upon stelae[pillars] he engraved for a
valiant race the secret parts of a man, for an ignoble race those of
a woman. Accordingly he was esteemed by the Egyptians as the next in
rank to Osiris
Lacharês (Lamarês), for 8 years: he built the Labyrinth in the
Arsenoïte nome as his own tomb
Amerês, for 8 years
Ammanemês, for 8 years
Scemiophris, his sister, for 4 years
Total 160 years.
Fr. 35 (from Synchellus), According to Eusebius
from the Second Book of Manetho.
The Twelfth Dynasty consisted of seven kings of Diospolis
The first of these, Sesonchosis, son of Ammanemês, reigned for 46
years.
Ammanemês, for 38 years: he was murdered by his own eunuchs
Sesotris, for 48 years: he is said to have been 4 cubits 3 palms 2
fingers' breadths in stature. In nine years he subdued the whole of
Asia, and Europe as far as Thrace, everywhere erecting memorials of
his conquest of the tribes. Upon stelae[pillars] he engraved for a
valiant race the secret parts of a man, for an ignoble race those of
a woman. Accordingly he was esteemed by the Egyptians as the next in
rank to Osiris
Next to him Lamaris, for 8 years: he built the Labyrinth in the
Arsenoïte nome as his own tomb
His successors ruled for 42 years, and the reigns of the whole
dynasty amounted to 245 years
Fr. 36 Armenian version of Eusebius
from the Second Book of Manetho.
The Twelfth Dynasty consisted of seven kings of Diospolis.
The first of these, Sesonchosis, son of Ammanemês, reigned for 46
years.
Ammanemês, for 38 years: he was murdered by his own eunuchs
Sesotris, for 48 years: he is said to have been 4 cubits 3 palms 2
fingers' breadths in stature. In nine years he subdued the whole of
Asia, and Europe as far as Thrace. Everywhere he set up memorials of
his subjugation of each tribe: among valiant races he engraved upon
pillars a man's secret parts, among unwarlike race a woman's, as a
sign of disgrace. Wherefore he was honored by the Egyptians the next
to Osiris
His successor, Lampares, reigned for 8 years: In the Arsenoïte nome
he built the many-chambered Labyrinth as his tomb
The succeeding kings ruled for 42 years
Total for the whole dynasty, 245 years
"
Obviusly, this Sesotris is the guy we're looking for.
Torsten