Re: [tied] Re: "Odin of Asgard"

--- tgpedersen@... wrote:
(GK) In the 1rst c. BC there is no room here

> for
> > your "Odin" as discussed by Snorri. The Sarmatian
> > complexes in this area didn't give a hoot about
> the
> > Romans,
> (TP)How do complexes give hoots about anything?

****GK: Pablum for Torsten: "complex"= political
organization. "give a hoot"= colloquial expression for
"care". They weren't afraid of them and did not
consider them a threat.******

(TP)Or,

> attempting
> a translation: I assume that there are two kinds of
> evidence
> here: chronicles and archaeology. As for the first,
> Snorri
> says it happened,

*****GK: No kidding?(:=)))*****


(TP)Jordanes says something similar,

******GK: Like what exactly?******

>

(TP)Appianus

> (look it up in the postings here in cybalist)

*****GK: Don't need to Torsten. I've got the
original.***

(TP)says

> Mithridates
> sought to make the locals at the Don interested in a
> waging a
> campaign against the Romans through Moesia, when he
> made his
> tour around the Black Sea to attack Pommpey from the
> rear.

*****GK: And? And nothing. Or maybe you could try
making Mithradates into "Odin"? How about this:
Mithradates realized he couldn't beat the Romans, so
he had somebody impersonate him, that somebody was the
one killed and disposed of as "Mithradates" while the
real Mithradates became "Odin" and marched northwards
to his glorious destiny. Since he was a polyglot he
also knew Bastarnian Germanic which proved useful
there.(:=)))))))***********

> (TP)As for the second, according to the written

sources "Odin"

> never had actual contact with the Romans; he fled
> (or whatever)
> out of foresight.

*****GK: Some warrior...(:=)))) Everybody else stayed
put. They weren't afraid of the Romans and they were
quite right not to be.*****

>
> >(GK) and weren't significantly affected by their
> > pressure (unlike the rulers of the Bosporan
> > kingdom).[NB. In the Crimea it's the Romans who
> built
> > "defensive forts" against the Scythians] And there
> was
> > no Attila-like "barbarian" political configuration
> > here either: Bastarnae, Yazigi, Scythians,
> Roxolani,
> > Aorsi, Siraci, Alani== all went their separate
> ways.
> > No "Odin" like ruler over them.

>(Torsten): Based on aerchaeology?

****GK: No Torsten. Based on what we know of the
history of the area from chronicles and inscriptions
much closer to the Augustan age than the Icelandic
Pompeius Trogus fantasizing twelve hundred years
later.******

>
> > That's why your theory
> > is (not seems) like sand flowing through one's
> > fingers. Not because of some additional
> > "assumption".****
> > >
> > > (Torsten)BTW how do you make combined rivers?
> AFAIK
> > <kvisl>
> > > is
> > > a "branching", nor a "branch".
> >
> > *****GK: Probably in the same way in which you
> make
> > the Sea of Azov a continuation of the Don. Or
> combine
> > the Baltic, the North sea, the Atlantic and the
> > Mediterranean into one "Varangian Sea". Or come up
> > with Herodotus' configuration of Scythia etc etc
> etc.
> > Old geographers could be very "creative".******
>
> (TP)Well, it seems to me you are being the creative

one

> here ;-).
> Making up a confusion and then blaming it on the old
> geographers
> hardly counts.

*****GK: I didn't make up the confusion Torsten. Some
old geographers really did confuse the Don and the
Volga. As I said, it doesn't really matter. "Odin"
remains a will o' the wisp.*****

>
> Torsten
>
>
>
>

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