Re: [tied] Re: "Odin of Asgard"

--- tgpedersen@... wrote:

> --- In cybalist@..., george knysh <gknysh@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- tgpedersen@... wrote:
> > > What was the question then (obvously I didn't
> get
> > > it)? Should Snorri
> > > have mentioned the Volga?
> >
> > *****GK: Snorri's geography of southeast Europe is
> not
> > overly precise. He seems to think that the Sea of
> Azov
> > is part of the Don. But that is not the crux of
> the
> > "Odin" problem. And it is just possible that his
> > "Tanakvisl" refers to some combination of Volga
> and
> > Don (well known to Scandinavian traders and
> warriors
> > of ca. 1000 AD). With one "kvisl" (fork) standing
> for
> > the Volga where it flows into the Caspian, and
> another
> > "kvisl" for the Don itself and the Sea of Azov
> (Palus
> > Maeotis) at whose "bosphorus" were the main cities
> of
> > the Bosphoran Kingdom. But with such an
> interpretation
> > of "Tanakvisl" ASGARD would be even further east,
> in
> > fact east of the Volga. This is all like sand
> flowing
> > though one's fingers... I'll get to the Bastarnae
> > later.*****
> > >
>
>(Torsten) I see. If you further add an assumption

which is

> "just
> possible", the whole theory runs out through your
> fingers.

*****GK: Pritsak thought that the "kvisl" referred to
the area where the Don and Donetz conjoin (look it up
on a map). But the Don-Volga combination is also
possible. It doesn't really matter which option one
adopts. In the 1rst c. BC there is no room here for
your "Odin" as discussed by Snorri. The Sarmatian
complexes in this area didn't give a hoot about the
Romans, and weren't significantly affected by their
pressure (unlike the rulers of the Bosporan
kingdom).[NB. In the Crimea it's the Romans who built
"defensive forts" against the Scythians] And there was
no Attila-like "barbarian" political configuration
here either: Bastarnae, Yazigi, Scythians, Roxolani,
Aorsi, Siraci, Alani== all went their separate ways.
No "Odin" like ruler over them. That's why your theory
is (not seems) like sand flowing through one's
fingers. Not because of some additional
"assumption".****

>
> (Torsten)BTW how do you make combined rivers? AFAIK

<kvisl>

> is
> a "branching", nor a "branch".

*****GK: Probably in the same way in which you make
the Sea of Azov a continuation of the Don. Or combine
the Baltic, the North sea, the Atlantic and the
Mediterranean into one "Varangian Sea". Or come up
with Herodotus' configuration of Scythia etc etc etc.
Old geographers could be very "creative".******

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