Germanic stuff and archaeology

From: tgpedersen@...
Message: 11581
Date: 2001-11-29

from Politikens Arkaeologileksikon:

Germanere [Germani]

"... In broad generality Archaeology has seconded the conceptual
world of Antiquity. Culture groups within "Germania" were thus
Germanic, the groups west and south of it Celtic. In the Rhine area
it is in the La Tène culture not possible to distinguish
archaeologically between Celtic and Germanic groups. In the area
north of here, North Germany, Eastern Central Europe, Silesia, South
Poland and Scandinavia the picture is different. Here are seen clear
independent groups with some or only little influence from la Tène,
i.a. the Jastorf culture which is considered as the oldest
archaeologically demonstrable Germanic culture...

It is however not until the first century CE in the Roman Iron Age
that one might speak of a Germanic culture in all areas, north and
east of the Rhine, as in the archaeological material can be seen a
close cultural relatedness..."

I can't see how this can't be fitted into the story of "Odin" passing
by in what was once Celtic territory east of the Rhine.

"Textiles

... Throughout Pre-Roman and Early Roman Iron Age are known two main
types of textiles from Denmark: The Huldremose type and the
Haraldskaer type. The Huldremose type ... is made exclusively from S-
spun yarn... The distribution in Denmark of the type is limited to
northern and central Jutland, north Fyn and Sjaelland.

Next to this type is found the Haraldskaer type which belongs to
southern Jutland and North Germany. It is exclusively made of Z-spun
yarn, but beyond that is similar to the Huldremose type. However [T:
and some technical textile details I would need a specialist
dictionary to translate]... The two textile types seem thus to be the
expression of two different, local weaving traditions.

[T: So, does this mean that the dividing line between Celtic La Tène
and Pre-Germanic Jastorf went through Denmark?. That would have some
consequences for the ethnicity of the Cimbri etc].

Imported, however, a third variant seems to be: the Virring type
which [technical lingo] ... high quality with 14-20 threads per
cm, ... high quality imported cloth.

The Huldremose type disappears in the course of Late Roman Iron Age
and is replaced all over the country by the Haraldskaer type [Note
the delay w.r.t. the assumed "Odin" invasion. Snorri says they
married local women; textile was a woman thing, therefore southern
custom spread only later]. The Virring type ... is used all over the
country but the import stops around 400 CE.

In Early Germanic Iron Age in general only the Haraldskær type is
known from Danish finds. But at the transition to Late Germanic Iron
Age a thorogh shift occurs in the use of woven cloth. The Haraldskaer
type disappears and is replaced to a large extent by flax cloth ...
The type continues into Viking Age...

Torsten