Re: [tied] Old Rus' of the many "nationes"

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From: "Sergejus Tarasovas" <S.Tarasovas@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2001 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Old Rus' of the many "nationes"


> --- In cybalist@..., "Alexander Stolbov" <astolbov@...> wrote:
> > [A.]
> > IFAIK, the stem of this word is common IE, not a Celtic innovation.
> So we
> > may expect to find reflexes of it in Balto-Slavic as well. No need
> to
> > explain everything as borrowings.
>
> Yes I know. But I wonder how would you derive, eg, Slavic
> *DunajI/DunavU ofrom *da:nu? Something beginnig with *Dan- is
> expected. Baltic *dun- (or even *dan-, though it seemes to be of
> secondary origin) can hardly continue *da:nu- as well.
> >
> > BTW, in Northern Russian dialects "dunaj" means "brook, small
> stream".
> > In the basin of Dnieper there are a lot of rivers with names
> Dunaets and
> > Dunavets.
>
> I know ('brook, small stream' is attested in Baltic as well). And do
> you know how it's usually explained? As a result of some strong
> influence from and/or memory of the Danubian region. I don't want to
> say I buy this explanation', but, if those are not a Baltisms, one
> should operate PIE *dau-n-:*dou-n-
>

Do I understand you right:
to get problemless explanation of Slavic and Baltic (in this case already
Balto-Slavic) form of Dunaj we had to have as the PIE form not *da:nu but
*dau-n-:*dou-n- ?

And what? Could Indo-Iranian, Celtic and other attested and recognized
reflexes of this stem be developed from *dau-n-:*dou-n- ? And from **daunu ?

Alexander