Re: [tied] Rydberg on the Ribhus of the Rigveda

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 11403
Date: 2001-11-22

It's *bHag-, not *bHag^- (Skt. bHaga-, Slavic *bogU, with vocalism suggesting, if not proving, an early loan rather than inheritance). Of course the switch of values, with *deiwo- delegated to minor demonic functions, is typically Iranian, but despite common elements the religious beliefs of the NE Iranians should not be identified with Zoroastrianism and need not have been black-and-white dualist. In particular note that Iranian *baga- is only once reflected in the Gathas (with its old meaning "share, lot"), while the meaning "god" (Avestan yazata-) is attested minly in "West Iranian" (Old Persian, Parthian) _and_ in Sogdian, which extends its geography to NE Iranian, so probably to "Scythian" as well. Sogdian Christians used it for Christian God, which is a striking parallel to the Slavic usage. Sogdian also shows the derivative *bagina- 'altar, temple', possibly reflected in Slavic *boz^-In-(ica) 'temple'. The word is not attested in Old Iranian, so it's probable that Iranian religious influence on Slavic dates to Middle Iranian ("Sarmatian") times.
 
Piotr
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Glen Gordon
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2001 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [tied] Rydberg on the Ribhus of the Rigveda

Right, gotcha, I didn't examine long enough... whoops. But all I
know is that the *bhag^os word is common in Balto-Slavic languages
as the word for "god" and *deiwos seems to have taken a back-seat.
Why did it develop this way? As I say, Mallory mentions *Bhag^os
as though it were some sort of specific deity so why would this
root, already used for a specific deity, be used to designate _all_
gods? If there was no such *Bhag^os deity, then again, why is
this "gift" root used to describe all gods if special gift-making
elves already existed in the IE mythos... Something's not making
sense here.