Re: [tied] Somes questions about iranian peoples

From: george knysh
Message: 11327
Date: 2001-11-20

--- Davius Sanctex <davius_sanctex@...> wrote:
> 3) Did Sarmatians and Scythians speak the same
> language?

*****GK: Depends on which Scythians you're talking
about. The "Royal" Scythians spoke an Iranian dialect.
Some of the "Nomad" Scythians probably did also. But
the language of the sedentary population of Herodotus'
Scythia was closer to Thracian and Baltic. The
Sarmatians spoke Iranian tongues (which differed
somewhat from "Royal" Scythian if we believe
Herodotus.)


> 4) Are yazigians and sarmatians the same people?

*****GK: The Yazigians (and their close relatives the
Roxolanians) were certainly Sarmatians. After they
mixed in the area east of Pannonia they were
indiscriminately known as "Sarmatians".*****

> 5) What was the historical end of cimerii?

*****GK: If you mean the Cimmerians and not the
Cimbri, the consensus is that many of them migrated
into Asia Minor under Scythian pressure, where they
eventually dissolved amongst the locals. But Plutarch
claims that most Cimmerians stayed behind and were
incorporated into Scythia. If so they might have been
the older population dominated by the "real"
Cimmerians who then left.*****

> 4) Hasta q �poca sobrevivi� el cimerio? que relaci�n
> exite entre esta lengua y el escita?

*****GK: Actually the jury's still out on this. Strong
cases have been made for Thracian (as indicated), but
the argument that they (at least their dominants) may
have been Iranian persists (the reference is to the
names of two Cimmerian kings: Sandanshatru and
Tseushpa which are etymologized on the basis of
Iranian. Since the Scythians took over from the
Cimmerians, perhaps the situation was analogous: an
Iranian "Royal" group ruling a Thrakoid
population.****
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