[tied] Re: Vanir

If I interpreted the question from Joao S right it was regarding the
Germanic forms of the word, not *only* Old Icelandic (Old Norse)
which was one Germanic language out of several.

I'm only an amateur, but I'm not really convinced that

1) Old Norse is a sort of progenitor to all the Scandinavian
Languages. I believe it's Old West Scandinavian plain and simple, and
that East Scandinavian, the progenitor of Danish, Swedish and ( in
principle) Bokmål *also* should count as (at least)one "ancient"
Germanic language, and as open for disscussions here.

2)the extra r in many words in Old Norse is a part of the stem
originally. It's obviously not a part of the root, and I simply don't
understand what it is.
I guess I've formulated my own theory:

That it is depicting a sort of definite or demonstrative. Maybe it's
something added to form a noun out of a verb or something like that.
Regarding the runes I've seen that the proposed transition is z-R-r,
with R representing a sound in betweeen z and R. Perhaps sounding
like the czech r(with hook) sound.
Since there is a transiton in at least semitic languages
z->[th] as in english the I sort of have assumed that r in Old
Icelandic could be corresponding to <the> in some cases.
However since I haven't seen this feature in an East Scandinavian
text yet I haven given so much thought of it yet.
So maybe it's time for me to learn Old Norse, and if someone here
knows what the r stands for please tell me!

So East Nordic then. Well it doesn't seem to be attested very early
so modern Norweigan will do:
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ARTIKKEL FRA BOKMÅLSORDBOKA
van I van m1 (norr vanr) i norr myt: gudevesen som rådde for årsvekst
og rikdom Frøy, Frøya og Njord var v-er / v-er og æser .

ARTIKKEL FRÅ NYNORSKORDBOKA
van I van -en, -er [-ar] (norr vanr) i norr myt.: gudeskapnad som
rådde for årsvekst og rikdom, jf *III ås / Frøy, Frøya og Njord var v-
er .
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http://www.dokpro.uio.no/perl/ordboksoek/ordbok.cgi?OPP=Van&begge=S%
F8k+i+begge+ordb%F8kene&ordbok=bokmaal&alfabet=n&renset=j

I actually believe that if one wanted to construct an early form in
East nordic it would be *van.

E. g. I read in Elias Wessens Våra Ord the I article on Kopp:
"äldre kupp, isl.koppr, no. kopp trol. av lågty. kop, ett germ. ord
(eng. cup ty. Kopf huvud); sannolikt lånat av medeltidslat. cuppa
bägare (fra coupe) jfr kupa"

older kupp, Isl. koppr, no. kopp trol. av lågty. kop, a Germ. word (
Eng. cup; G. Kopf 'head'; likely loaned from mdeival Latin cuppa
beaker (Fr. coupe) cf kupa

Here the -r looks added. How come?

I was also nearly going to add Sv. korp 'raven' to this short list
because of it being in Gustav V's Bible but then I saw this:
"ETYMOLOGI: [fsv. korper, motsv. nor. korp, isl. korpr; bildat med
anslutning till fågelns läte liksom lat. corvus, korp, gr. κό =
09;αξ,
korp]


1)
BETYDELSE: kråkfågeln Corvus corax Lin. (känd för sin svarta färg,
sin rovgirighet, tjuvaktighet o. klokhet, enligt äldre tiders folktro
bådande ofärd l. död);
jfr RAMN
Luk. 12: 24 (NT (1526).
Hans håår är krusat, swart såsom en korp. HögaV 5 11 ( Bib. (1541)."
from:
http://g3.spraakdata.gu.se/saob/

*Korper* it was evidently And I have seen other examples of this -r
also in Old Swedish.
But I still don't know what it means. Does anyone on the list know
this?
And in wich texts do they ocurr?
I will of course try to find it out myself also.

Best wishes

Anders