Re: [tied] A hard nut

From: João S. Lopes Filho
Message: 11011
Date: 2001-11-05

Lithuanian <ri'es^utas>, dial. <ri'es^as>, < *reisos, *reisutos
ruos^uty~s> 'nut', < *ries^utys?
Lettish <rie~ksts> 'id.', < *reist-
Old Prussian <bucca-reisis> 'beechnut' < *reisis
Slavic *ore^xU (/ *orIxU < *re:sos , *reisos (prefix o-?)

*re:is- could be *wreis- ???
Or *re:ik^H- ???
I try *k^H to explain Baltic s^, Slavic x

If we assume *re:is-, what would be the expected IE cognates?
Germanic *ri:s-, *ri:z-, *re:s-, *re:z
Latin * ri:s-, ri:r-
Greek *orei-, ori-
Sanskrit *ri:s.-



----- Original Message -----
From: Sergejus Tarasovas <S.Tarasovas@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 05, 2001 4:49 PM
Subject: [tied] A hard nut


> Lithuanian <ri'es^utas>, dial. <ri'es^as>, <ruos^uty~s> 'nut',
> Lettish <rie~ksts> 'id.', Old Prussian <bucca-reisis> 'beechnut',
> Slavic *ore^xU (/ *orIxU > S-Cr. <o`rax> ?) 'id.' are obviously
> related, but a common proto-form can hardly be reconstructed (-
> *re:'is- with Piotrian merger *ei and ai in Slavic?). Usually the
> word is compared to Greek (n. pl.) <a'rua>, glossed as <ta`
> He:rakleio:tika` ka'rua> by Hesychius and translated as 'walnuts' in
> Liddell-Scott (but. cf. ka'ruon He:rakleo:tiko'n 'filbert') and
> considered a non-IE substrate word or a Wanderwort. Gamkrelidze-
> Ivanov insist in PIE origin and involve Greek ka'ruon 'nut, esp.
> walnut' and Punjabi karua: (< *karuk) 'nut', from alleged PIE *qHar-
> '(wal)nut' (they postulate PIE *qH, reflexed as 0:k in specific
> branches). Any ideas?
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> Sergei
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