--- In cybalist@..., "João S. Lopes Filho" <jodan99@...> wrote:
> Kumarpish gave rise to TESHUB , storm-god, ARANZAH, "the beautiful
river-goddess", TASHMISHU "minister of the gods", and other
three "terrible deities".
> Is it possible to see any Greek link?
>
> Aranzah would be Aphrodite, born of foam. Teshub is obviously Zeus.
Are the three terrible deities the Hekatogkheires? The Erinyes?
I don't know, could they be the trio of fate goddesses, perhaps also
connected with the three gorgons or, as you suggest, the Erinyes?
> A Hittite-Hurrite protoform of Greek Theogony could be:
>
> Kronos castrated Ouranos, swallowed his penis, spat his semen and
gave rise to some deities - Zeus, the "Storm-God", Aphrodite-Dione-
Eurynome:, the Beautiful water-goddess, Athena-Me:tis-Melias-Erinys,
the War goddess, and Dionysos.
>
> sources: Kronos castrating Ouranos, Aphrodite being born from
ocean; Eurynome, Dione and Metis as oceanids, Zeus' wives; Dionysos
being born from Zeus's thigh, Athena being born from Zeus's head;
Erinyes and Meliades being born from Ouranos' blood.
>
> Kronos in vengeance, procreated a gigantic monster Typhon-Gigas,
that was defeated by Zeus, helped by Athena-Me:tis.
>
> sources: Gaia giving rise to Typhon; deviant form of same tale, in
what Kronos was the father of Typhon; Shaushka and Teshub defeating
Ullikummish.
Forgive my ramble, I find this myth interesting.
Hmm...In one version, Ullikummish was born from a rock that Kumarbi
impregnated. In one version Typhon was born from Gaia and Kronos, as
you said, or in another version, from the earth alone
These instances both remind me of the birth of Erichthonius, who was
conceived when Hephaestus attempted to seduce Athena, but his seed
fell to the earth, and Erichthonius was born(Doesn't Erichthonius
mean born from the earth, or something like that?).
Erichthonius, like Typhon, was depicted having the legs of a serpent
and a body of a man.
Erichthonius was, in one story, what was in Pandora's box, and later
became king of Athens. He(or Cecrops, a very similar snake-footed
character) judged in favor of Athena over Poseidon in the contest to
determine who would be patron deity of Athens. Here again we have
Athena.
It also recalls the first part of a version of the myth of Cybele and
Attis, where Jupiter impregnates a rock that is Cybele, and the
monstrous hermaphrodite Acdestus is born(Who is castrated)
So, we have rock or an earth goddesss represented by rock impregnated
in an unusual manner by a male divinity(Kumarbis, Kronos, Hephaestus,
Jupiter), giving birth to a bizarre earthborn creation that is
usually destroyed.
I think it is interesting that we get a variety of male gods playing
a similar role in these myths-what is Hephaestus doing in there?
I would appreciate any thoughts on the matter.
>
> Some Anatolian people carried these myths to Greece. It seems to be
some Semitic influence: perhaps Teshub-Zeus & Shaushka-Athena was
influence of Semitic couple Ba'al & Anat, or vice versa. The IE Greek
indentified this Storm-god with their Storm-god *Perkwunos, already
mixed with the Sky-Father *Dyeus.
Yes, I agree that this Anatolian myth cycle must have influenced
Greek myth. As you say, this might explain why the All-Father Odin
and Dagda were different in character and attributes than Zeus.
Cort Williams