From: Anne Lambert
Message: 10797
Date: 2001-10-31
> --- In cybalist@..., george knysh <gknysh@...> wrote:Are the Old Ugrians the same as the Ob-Ugrians?
>> *****GK: I don't have the exact text at hand but I
>> remember clearly that in the Kyivan Primary Chronicle
>> (s.a. 898) where the etymology of a Kyivan Hill named
>> after the Old Ugrians [proto-Hungarians] is discussed
>> it is stated that these Ugrians arrived in its area
>> "and stayed there with their "vezhas" (a Chronicle
>> term for the waggons of the nomads, because many had
>> elevations that looked like tents), and the Chronicle
>> goes on (pardon the memory errors as to exact script)
>> :"byakhu bo KHODJASHCHI aki sut' Polovtsi"
>>> which could I think be properly translated as "for
>> they were "WAGGON-RIDERS" as are the Polovtsians" [the
>> Cumans of the chronicler's own epoch ca. 1100]
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> Thank you, George. I was going to post some quotations from <Pove^stI
> vre^menInyxU le^tU> in the evening as I don't have the text at hand
> at work, but you've nearly delivered me from the necessity of doing
> that.
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> Sergei
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