Re: [tied] Finnish hevonen "horse"

I was not saying that *Hek^wos < *s^ekWos, but instead, that perhaps HIPPOS
came from another source than IE *Hek^wos.
And I also consider the possibility of Hippos<*yikwos <*hek^wos, cf.
Tocharian yäkwe ?

----- Original Message -----
From: Miguel Carrasquer Vidal <mcv@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2001 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Finnish hevonen "horse"


> On Tue, 30 Oct 2001 09:45:03 -0800 (PST), Knut Holt
> <aquila_grande@...> wrote:
>
> >There are some striking correspondances between the
> >phonenemics of many core elements in uralic and
> >indoeuropean. You can easyly see them by comparing
> >proto-indo-european elements with the corresponding
> >finnish (finnish is so conservative that such a
> >comparison can be done meaningfully).
> >
> >
> > IE Ur
> >I/me me mi-nu
> >you te-we si-nu<ti-nu
> >this/that/it so/to se/tuo/tä-
> >ablative case suffix es/ed ta
> >accusative suffixe sg m m
> >Nom pl suffixe s t
> >1. p sg suffixe m n<m
> >2. p sg suffixe s/tha t
> >1. p pl suffixe mo/me me
> >2. p pl suffixe te te
>
> This is all true enough.
>
> >In both IE an and FU many elements have variants where
> >one element contains an -s- and the other a -t-. Where
> >IU has s/t, also FU often have s/s^/t.
> >
> >The abowe examples illustrate very well this
> >correspondance.
> >
> >In both the groups s/s^ tend to change into h in some
> >instances.
>
> In Indo-European s- becomes h- in Greek, Iranian and Brythonic (any
> other?). The only group that FU may have been in contact with is
> Iranian.
>
> >Therefore the word hevo-nen may very well be genetic
> >related to the greek word hippo-, but it could also be
> >a early loanworld from IU.
>
> There is no evidence for an s- in PIE *(h1)ek^wos "horse" (Gamqrelidze
> and Ivanov make an attempt at *s^ek^wos, with the *s^ they also
> reconstruct for *s^okw- "eye" -> Hitt. sakuwa "eyes"; PIE *okw- "eye",
> this based on Semitic (Akkadian <sisû>, Hebrew <sûs>, etc.), Hurrian
> (<essi>, <issiia->), Egyptian (<ssm.t>) and assorted Caucasian (Geo.
> <ac^ua>, Axvax <ic^wa>, Abkhaz <(a)c^y>) parallels, but even if this
> were so, it would only show up as s- in Anatolian (and the Anatolian
> words we know seem to be based on Indo-Iranian *aswa). Certainly
> Iranian has no forms with s- or h- (Avest. <aspa->, OPers. <asa->,
> Sogdian <asp->, Wakhan <yas^>, Oss. <jäfs>), and Greek h- (hardly a
> source for a Finno-Ugric borrowing) is much more likely to derive from
> *y- (*yikkwos) than from *s-. Even if G & I were right, and (pre-)PIE
> had *s^ek^wos, then it would still be problematical to relate that to
> Finn. *s^epo-, because of *k^w ~ *p (the PIE form does _not_ have a
> labiovelar *kW, but a cluster *k^ + *w, which suggests earlier **kVw).
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