Re: [tied] Uralic and PIE/Danube

From: Piotr Gasiorowski
Message: 10672
Date: 2001-10-27

The Proto-Finno-Ugric "cauldron, pot" word is *pata, generally believed to be a "Eurasian Wanderwort" -- IE *pod-o- "vessel, pot", attested at least in Baltic and Germanic (PGmc. *fata- > OE faet > vat with voiced /v/ of dialectal origin). There are numerous loans from IE into Uralic (mainly into the Finno-Ugric subfamily). Some of those are from various chronological stages of Iranian proper, but others are demostrably pre-Proto-Iranian (e.g. those with FU *s where Iranian has *h < *s) and even pre-Proto-Indo-Iranian, perhaps "Proto-Satem" (those in which *k^, *g^(H) are reflected as PFU *c', *j, and etymological *a, *e, and *o are distinguished). The loans are typically concrete terms connected with animal husbandry, weaponry, foodstuffs, trade, textile production, etc. ("piglet", "goat", "to drive/pursue", "hammer", "whip", "pay", "spindle", ...), but there are also numerals (most famously "100"), terms to do with social life ("slave") and religion ("god"), and even, surprisingly, names of local wild animals (PFU *werkas 'wolf').
 
Piotr
 
 
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From: george knysh
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Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2001 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Uralic and PIE/Danube

*****GK: Just out of curiosity, what was the (proto)Uralic term for activities associated with ceramic production (like "pot" and the like)? Are all the life-changing impacts you list above associated with lexical borrowings from IE and how extensive are these borrowings if they are there?******