turris

--- In cybalist@..., tgpedersen@... wrote:

> --- In cybalist@..., tgpedersen@... wrote:
> > --- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > As for Troy <tro:ia:, troïa:>, in Homer's usage the term may
> stand
> > for both the region of the Troad and for the city that was its
> > capital, identified with Ilios. But if it could be argued that
> > Taruisa = Troy, this would mean that Troy accidentally lent its
> name
> > to Ilios -- a different city in the Troad, of central importance

to

> > the plot of the Iliad and therefore usurping the place of the
> > regional capital in the imagination of the Greeks. The initial

<ta-

> ru-
> > > in <ta-ru-i-sa> may well be a representation of /tru-/ in

Hittite

> > orthography, and since there are variable correspondences

involving

> > i/e, u/o and e/a between late Luwian dialects and Greek,

something

> > like *tru-is- might plausibly underly the name of Troy (perhaps

via

> > *truis- ~ *trois-ija: > *troihija:).
> > >
> > > Piotr
> > >
> > I collected tr- words once. What do you think of the wanderword
> Lat.
> > turris "tower"? Does that fit in? As I recall *pr "house" was

also

> a
> > wanderword?
> >
> > Torsten
>
> Now suppose *turs- > turr- was originally an adjective? Cf poule
> d'Inde > dinde in French? Ie. from *p-r- *t-r-s "Tyrrhen, Trojan
> house" (sorry for my miserable reconstruction skills, it's as good

as

> I can do). Which would make the /n/ of Dutch <toren> etc adjectival?
>
> Torsten

As regards these Tyrrhenians, some declare them to be natives of
Italy, but others call them foreigners. Those who make them a native
race say that their name was given them from the forts, which they
were the first of the inhabitants of this country to build; for
covered buildings enclosed by walls are called by the Tyrrhenians as
well as the Greeks *tyrseis* or "towers".

Dionyssos of Halicarnassus
(Roman Antiquities, I. 26)

Thank you for the information, Dionysus. It's always a pleasure to
talk to people with good manners. You're always welcome to use my PC
again.

Torsten