--- In cybalist@..., "Joseph S Crary" <pva@...> wrote:
> Torsten
>
> If this Odin story is actually the survival of an early myth, might
> the big picture be more about genes of an aristocracy than
> language? Could it be about the 9th to 6th century
> introduction of large numbers of large steppe horse breeds
> and the migration of a large group of proto-Thracian speakers
> from the Ukraine to Romania and southern Poland? This resulting
> in an ethnic merger of Urnfield (Italo-p Celt-Balts speakers)
> and Steppe cultures followed by a secondary shift from
> southern Poland into northern Germany and Holland? This followed
> by a side step into Denmark with the goal of controlling the
> hub of north-south and east-west land and sea trade in all
> of northern Europe? Would this have effectively removed most
> traces of q Celt and common Balt in southern Poland, northern
> Germany, Holland, and Denmark?
>
> If so could this Odin, by another name, have been part of the
> Cimmeri-Cimbri connection? Or is the Odin completely made up?
>
> JS Crary
The Odin story, as Stein Jarving and Thor Heyerdahl(?) and yours
truly sees it, took place around 80 BCE, when Pompey subjugated the
peoples north of the Black Sea, in connection with his war against
Mithridates.
But I believe there was an earlier immigration to Jutland of
Cimmerians, later known as Cimbri, around 500 BCE. This is the end of
the Bronze Age in Denmark, and the beginning of Celtic (now: Pre-
Roman) Iron Age.
But I personally believe "Odin" was a title of some religious
significance, not an actual name (Freud: Aton-Adonis?). Therefore the
exodus to the regions North of the Black Sea from Troy could also
have been led by an "Odin". And then the field for all kinds of
speculations on the connections with Thraco-Cimmerians is open. Eg.
that Cimmerians when they left Anatolia went to Halstatt, picked up
Celtic with an atrocious p-accent (the q-Celts had abolished p,
thefore it was possible) and went on to Cymru and Himmerland. Tacitus
mentions that the Aestii (in Eesti, Estonia?) on the Baltic spoke a
languge similar to Britannic, which has puzzled researchers. This
would make sense then. Note that the Finns call Estonia Virumaa,
therefore Estonia may have been taken over by Baltic Finnic speakers
later.
Torsten