From: Anne Lambert
Message: 9745
Date: 2001-09-24
> --- In cybalist@..., "Glen Gordon" <glengordon01@...> wrote:Are these "winged spirits" from Lycia the same as the winged harpies on the
>> Cort:
>>> But wasn't the specific city of troy known as Wilusa, at least to
> the
>>> Hittites anyway? I remember that in a discussion a while ago there
>>> was an idea that Troy might be a more general term for a region/
>>> political confederation/peoples of which Wilusa was an important
>>> member.
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>> I'm open to that possibility until I look into it further and find
>> otherwise.
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>>> If that was so, then could "people of Turan" or some such thing be
>>> the origin of that name as well as for Tyrrhenian?
>>
>> But why Turan? We would end up with **Turan-ana then... or if you
>> accept my view that Turan < *Xastóra, then we have *Xastóra-na.
>> The former would yield Etruscan **/Turanana/, the latter would yield
>> **/(A)Turana/. Either way, we certainly don't end up with /ras'na/
> at all.
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> Bear with me for a sec...
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> But the winged spirits found in old Lycia, made by the Trmmeli, match
> nicely the Etruscan Lasae, associated with Turan. These Lycian
> spirits are connected with an important goddess.
> The Trmmeli also painted some pretty Etruscan-esque frescoes, and
> had familiar-looking tombs cut into hillsides.
> What I'm getting at is that we again have a Tr-people with an
> important goddess similar to Turan and a culture similar to Etruscan.
> And a patron goddess similar to Turan at Troy. And a people-name
> Tyrrhenian, which looks like a good match. And another possible
> Tyrrhenian speaking people on Cyprus that probably had an important
> Turan-like goddess(See below as well)
> The Rasna thing seems to be a monkey wrench in the gears, but
> otherwise it seems like a pretty interesting(though circumstantial)
> case.
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>> I suggested *Tarwese-na for multiple reasons. First, it correlates
> with
>> Hittite /Taruisa/ and second, the Etruscan outcome agrees with the
>> accent rule I developed for Tyrrhenian where the accent tends to
>> be placed off of *a. Hence, Tarwésena > Etr /ras'na/. The
> association
>> of the Tyrrhenians with Troy also makes some historical &
> geographical
>> sense.
>
> I think that linking the Tyrrhenians with the Troad makes good sense,
> but there are some difficulties getting them in the exact city of
> Wilusa/Ilion. As long as Troy is a region or a people, though, I
> think it works.
>
> Oh, and along the lines of Taru=Troy, doesn't Tarchon, Etruscan
> national hero, look rather like Tarkhunt, a variant of Taru?
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>>> And as long as we are talking about Tyrrhenian and the goddess
> Turan,
>>> wasn't Cyprus one of the mythic points of origin for Aphrodite?
>>
>> Actually, I would say that she derives from the neolithic and
> pertains
>> to the Eastern Mediterranean in general. The whole goddess
> archetype thing.
>
> I agree. But when a myth says a deity is born somewhere specific, it
> suggests that there is some particular association with this place,
> likely a strong and early center of worship.
> I suggest that if worship of Turan was particularly strong on
> Cyprus , and Turan was equated w/ Aphrodite, then this could well be
> the reason we have a story of Aphrodite being born on cyprus.
> And that these Turan worshippers could well be Tyrrhenian speaking
> people who left us Eteo-Cyrpiot.
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> -Cort Williams
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