[tied] Re: Odin again?

From: tgpedersen@...
Message: 9307
Date: 2001-09-10

> from Snorri's prolog:
> Near the centre of the world where what we call Turkey lies, was
> built the most famous of all palaces and halls - Troy by name. That
> town was built on a much larger scale than others then in existence
> and in many ways with greater skill, so lavishly was it equipped.
> There were twelve kingdoms with one over-king, and each kingdom
> contained many peoples. In the citadel were twelve chieftains and
> these excelled other men then living in every human fashion. One of
> the kings was called Múnón or Mennón. He married a daughter of the
> chief king Priam who was called Tróáin, and they had a son named
> Trór - we call him Thór. He was brought up in Thrace by a duke
> Loricus and, when he was ten years old, he received his father's
> Now that's interesting. It seems that Thor was a mulatto. Well -
> and learn I say. That sheds new light on his somewhat Tyson-like
> behavior in other accounts.
> Other that that I'm still digesting the rest of the posting. But it
> all seems interesting.
> Torsten

--- In cybalist@..., "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> Dear Thunrastainaz,
> Of course <þôrr> comes from assimilated <þun(a)rr> < *þunaraz
(Donner, thunder < OE þunor), from PIE *tonh2-/*tnh2- (cf. latin
tonitrus), which sort of weakens Snorri's etymology ;)
> Piotr

Dear Petr^e
(hope you won't mind the Czech vocative)

I have three escape routes from that conundrum

1) I believe I've seen someone derive Thorr and Donner differently
(and of course I forgot where).

2) Thrór > Thór would make sense also, phonetically.

3) Snorri doesn't state outright that he is doing etymology,
that "the old language" is etymologically related to his own (but it
seems to be, of course, but that doesn't mean that every pair of old-
own language words he mentions are supposed to be cognates). A
corresponding situation: suppose some Roman writer wrote: "Jupiter,
in the old language Tin". It would be easy to prove that these two
words were not related, but was that what the writer said?